1 00:00:06,490 --> 00:00:04,430 all right we should be live broadcasting 2 00:00:08,690 --> 00:00:06,500 on Facebook and YouTube right now 3 00:00:10,790 --> 00:00:08,700 everyone thank you for joining me 4 00:00:13,999 --> 00:00:10,800 tonight for a very special episode of 5 00:00:15,530 --> 00:00:14,009 somewhere in the skies now some of you 6 00:00:17,990 --> 00:00:15,540 might know one of our guests from a 7 00:00:21,320 --> 00:00:18,000 previous episode Heather daddy one of 8 00:00:24,140 --> 00:00:21,330 the stars of alien highway but today we 9 00:00:25,640 --> 00:00:24,150 actually have two of the hosts of that 10 00:00:28,640 --> 00:00:25,650 television show on with us we're going 11 00:00:30,950 --> 00:00:28,650 to talk all about the show what evidence 12 00:00:33,290 --> 00:00:30,960 they found most compelling during each 13 00:00:35,420 --> 00:00:33,300 investigation what did it make it into 14 00:00:37,010 --> 00:00:35,430 the episodes which is always fun and 15 00:00:39,319 --> 00:00:37,020 we're gonna take listener questions too 16 00:00:40,520 --> 00:00:39,329 so before I bring them in I want to let 17 00:00:43,850 --> 00:00:40,530 everyone know if you're watching this on 18 00:00:45,770 --> 00:00:43,860 Facebook I put a link in the comments 19 00:00:47,720 --> 00:00:45,780 there that you should see where you just 20 00:00:49,940 --> 00:00:47,730 have to click on that inlet stream yard 21 00:00:51,950 --> 00:00:49,950 give them permission to see your live 22 00:00:54,500 --> 00:00:51,960 comments so they'll go right into a feed 23 00:00:56,779 --> 00:00:54,510 that we have here so um yeah if you're 24 00:00:58,520 --> 00:00:56,789 watching on Facebook click that link and 25 00:01:00,500 --> 00:00:58,530 it's just one click they're saying you 26 00:01:03,410 --> 00:01:00,510 give permission for stream yard to show 27 00:01:05,149 --> 00:01:03,420 your name and your questions YouTube 28 00:01:06,800 --> 00:01:05,159 viewers you should just be able to throw 29 00:01:09,320 --> 00:01:06,810 them right in that chat on the live 30 00:01:12,350 --> 00:01:09,330 YouTube feed and other than that this is 31 00:01:14,690 --> 00:01:12,360 gonna be a lot of fun so right now I 32 00:01:17,300 --> 00:01:14,700 want to welcome my two guests the hosts 33 00:01:20,929 --> 00:01:17,310 of alien highway I've got Chuck Zukowski 34 00:01:32,120 --> 00:01:20,939 and Heather chatty guys how are you 35 00:01:34,969 --> 00:01:32,130 doing today with each other and forget 36 00:01:39,499 --> 00:01:34,979 about the host yeah you do your thing 37 00:01:42,050 --> 00:01:39,509 I'm not even I do you chuck and and us 38 00:01:45,020 --> 00:01:42,060 not be in like a thousand jackets and 39 00:01:47,960 --> 00:01:45,030 hats and in which her is higher yeah 40 00:01:50,300 --> 00:01:47,970 yeah this time last year actually we 41 00:01:51,859 --> 00:01:50,310 were done this time last year but yeah 42 00:01:55,010 --> 00:01:51,869 last year was pretty tough you know we 43 00:01:56,539 --> 00:01:55,020 we follow the storm for two months and 44 00:01:59,330 --> 00:01:56,549 we were basically in the snow the whole 45 00:02:02,690 --> 00:01:59,340 time yeah I noticed like you guys looked 46 00:02:05,569 --> 00:02:02,700 freezing the entire time so yeah 47 00:02:07,280 --> 00:02:05,579 waiter you were mostly shootin well well 48 00:02:09,529 --> 00:02:07,290 actually you know we shot one episode 49 00:02:11,330 --> 00:02:09,539 and in December and the rest beginning 50 00:02:13,559 --> 00:02:11,340 of the year but we just at the beginning 51 00:02:15,929 --> 00:02:13,569 here we just follow this storm and 52 00:02:18,720 --> 00:02:15,939 Radha you can have ahead of this too we 53 00:02:20,489 --> 00:02:18,730 could not wait for for you know the 54 00:02:21,809 --> 00:02:20,499 episode rigors should in California 55 00:02:25,679 --> 00:02:21,819 because we thought it'd be a lot warmer 56 00:02:28,349 --> 00:02:25,689 and we're on Pacific Coast Highway and 57 00:02:29,640 --> 00:02:28,359 in Malibu right the beach on one side 58 00:02:31,679 --> 00:02:29,650 the mountain you know the hills on the 59 00:02:32,690 --> 00:02:31,689 other and it's sleeting on us it's 60 00:02:36,209 --> 00:02:32,700 hailing 61 00:02:39,089 --> 00:02:36,219 of course pick the good side yeah yeah 62 00:02:41,879 --> 00:02:39,099 I'm sure we'll get to that SoCal episode 63 00:02:43,979 --> 00:02:41,889 Chuck that one's very timely with a lot 64 00:02:46,440 --> 00:02:43,989 of stuff going on in the UFO world now 65 00:02:48,420 --> 00:02:46,450 uh but before we kind of um I guess dive 66 00:02:51,270 --> 00:02:48,430 into the episodes guys I always like to 67 00:02:54,780 --> 00:02:51,280 give those viewers or listeners kind of 68 00:02:57,899 --> 00:02:54,790 the origin story so we'll go with alien 69 00:02:59,849 --> 00:02:57,909 highway um how did the show come to be 70 00:03:01,649 --> 00:02:59,859 and um how did you guys decide what 71 00:03:03,119 --> 00:03:01,659 cases you were gonna cover 72 00:03:05,699 --> 00:03:03,129 um whichever one of you'd like to take 73 00:03:07,830 --> 00:03:05,709 that yet do you want to go you want me 74 00:03:09,330 --> 00:03:07,840 to go um how about you go with this one 75 00:03:12,390 --> 00:03:09,340 since you were more into the development 76 00:03:15,809 --> 00:03:12,400 process of it cool Rick's ass and the 77 00:03:17,759 --> 00:03:15,819 the creator of the show contacted me 78 00:03:20,849 --> 00:03:17,769 every now and then I get a young emails 79 00:03:25,409 --> 00:03:20,859 from producers and and and so he 80 00:03:27,030 --> 00:03:25,419 contacted me and basically he said you 81 00:03:28,770 --> 00:03:27,040 know he's looking to try to put together 82 00:03:31,920 --> 00:03:28,780 something for Travel Channel I guess 83 00:03:34,860 --> 00:03:31,930 they had you know a project open he said 84 00:03:36,390 --> 00:03:34,870 how would you do a TV show and they said 85 00:03:37,679 --> 00:03:36,400 well I except well I would do a TV show 86 00:03:40,289 --> 00:03:37,689 just like I would do a regular 87 00:03:44,249 --> 00:03:40,299 investigation I would do as a field 88 00:03:47,759 --> 00:03:44,259 investigation real investigators real 89 00:03:51,300 --> 00:03:47,769 people find witnesses you know and and 90 00:03:53,249 --> 00:03:51,310 all their you know any type of evidence 91 00:03:56,249 --> 00:03:53,259 that they have and then as for the 92 00:03:57,899 --> 00:03:56,259 episodes him and I went back and forth 93 00:04:00,020 --> 00:03:57,909 over episodes and out of the eight 94 00:04:03,240 --> 00:04:00,030 episodes seven of them were mine 95 00:04:05,459 --> 00:04:03,250 basically my you know the you know the 96 00:04:08,099 --> 00:04:05,469 ones that that I had pitched them the 97 00:04:09,869 --> 00:04:08,109 California one I didn't wholly because 98 00:04:14,909 --> 00:04:09,879 you know I live in Colorado and I'm not 99 00:04:17,819 --> 00:04:14,919 on the beach but actually four of them 100 00:04:19,499 --> 00:04:17,829 were actually my investigations right 101 00:04:21,089 --> 00:04:19,509 right and I notice you know at the 102 00:04:23,129 --> 00:04:21,099 beginning of every episode I had like 103 00:04:23,640 --> 00:04:23,139 the file that would show up and it would 104 00:04:27,370 --> 00:04:23,650 say 105 00:04:29,050 --> 00:04:27,380 seesee file number did that - did it 106 00:04:31,090 --> 00:04:29,060 I loved seeing that just knowing like 107 00:04:33,130 --> 00:04:31,100 the a lot of this did come from your 108 00:04:35,500 --> 00:04:33,140 actual Case Files that well that those 109 00:04:39,490 --> 00:04:35,510 file numbers they just threw in there 110 00:04:43,240 --> 00:04:39,500 well yeah numbers you know behind the 111 00:04:44,890 --> 00:04:43,250 camera I have a filing cabinet and one 112 00:04:46,120 --> 00:04:44,900 at the garage with my files are 113 00:04:49,990 --> 00:04:46,130 basically by name 114 00:04:51,490 --> 00:04:50,000 you know Amon and location basically if 115 00:04:54,550 --> 00:04:51,500 there was a number than I would have to 116 00:04:58,060 --> 00:04:54,560 have some type of notebook to decipher 117 00:04:59,580 --> 00:04:58,070 the numbers to his work right right I 118 00:05:00,870 --> 00:04:59,590 can imagine that would get stressful 119 00:05:03,400 --> 00:05:00,880 yeah 120 00:05:05,350 --> 00:05:03,410 no heaven no how did you get hooked up 121 00:05:07,330 --> 00:05:05,360 with a show now being that you come from 122 00:05:08,980 --> 00:05:07,340 the world of the paranormal we talked 123 00:05:11,170 --> 00:05:08,990 about this in our individual interview 124 00:05:14,530 --> 00:05:11,180 but yeah how did you come to be a part 125 00:05:16,270 --> 00:05:14,540 of this project so I actually know the 126 00:05:17,590 --> 00:05:16,280 executive producer of alien highway 127 00:05:19,630 --> 00:05:17,600 because he was one of the executive 128 00:05:22,870 --> 00:05:19,640 producers for paranormal State so 129 00:05:24,460 --> 00:05:22,880 randomly over the years he's he's you 130 00:05:26,500 --> 00:05:24,470 know come to me for different projects 131 00:05:29,170 --> 00:05:26,510 so he came to me for this when I was 132 00:05:31,420 --> 00:05:29,180 like yeah you know let me get involved 133 00:05:33,460 --> 00:05:31,430 in this because so it was so much 134 00:05:34,720 --> 00:05:33,470 different than doing you know the 135 00:05:36,790 --> 00:05:34,730 regular thing where I would go into 136 00:05:38,710 --> 00:05:36,800 client's homes and hear all their 137 00:05:40,210 --> 00:05:38,720 stories and help them and try to catch 138 00:05:42,490 --> 00:05:40,220 evidence so it was more of like an 139 00:05:44,980 --> 00:05:42,500 adventure to me so I was like yep sign 140 00:05:48,040 --> 00:05:44,990 me up and interestingly enough a lot of 141 00:05:50,080 --> 00:05:48,050 there were a couple story editors that 142 00:05:52,420 --> 00:05:50,090 worked on alien highway that also worked 143 00:05:55,000 --> 00:05:52,430 on Paranormal State and I had never met 144 00:05:56,620 --> 00:05:55,010 any of them before meanwhile they had 145 00:05:58,510 --> 00:05:56,630 seen all this you know they would watch 146 00:06:01,060 --> 00:05:58,520 hours of the footage from paranormal 147 00:06:02,890 --> 00:06:01,070 State of me as a college student in this 148 00:06:04,570 --> 00:06:02,900 club you know investigating his home so 149 00:06:06,670 --> 00:06:04,580 it was really cool when we go to the 150 00:06:08,560 --> 00:06:06,680 studios in California because we'd walk 151 00:06:11,140 --> 00:06:08,570 past the editing bays and you'd look in 152 00:06:13,570 --> 00:06:11,150 and and I got to meet you know these key 153 00:06:15,640 --> 00:06:13,580 players that made paranormal state what 154 00:06:26,830 --> 00:06:15,650 it was I was just it was really cool to 155 00:06:30,010 --> 00:06:26,840 have them work on this project to be 156 00:06:32,350 --> 00:06:30,020 back someone yeah I can hear my own 157 00:06:35,140 --> 00:06:32,360 voice yeah 158 00:06:38,020 --> 00:06:35,150 I'd say there's two of you check one two 159 00:06:40,690 --> 00:06:38,030 oh now we're good we got it got gremlins 160 00:06:41,260 --> 00:06:40,700 and the machines guys anyways that's 161 00:06:45,280 --> 00:06:41,270 what I was 162 00:06:47,830 --> 00:06:45,290 Oh Heather um how do you approach a UFO 163 00:06:50,530 --> 00:06:47,840 investigation before we even get to what 164 00:06:51,790 --> 00:06:50,540 you guys did investigate um how is it 165 00:06:53,890 --> 00:06:51,800 different from a paranormal 166 00:06:55,960 --> 00:06:53,900 investigation would you say I mean with 167 00:06:58,540 --> 00:06:55,970 the UFO investigations you're obviously 168 00:07:00,040 --> 00:06:58,550 most of the time you're outside so you 169 00:07:01,750 --> 00:07:00,050 have to worry about a lot of 170 00:07:04,030 --> 00:07:01,760 environmental factors such as wild 171 00:07:07,390 --> 00:07:04,040 animals and I'm so used to being in a 172 00:07:10,330 --> 00:07:07,400 very closed compact space in a client's 173 00:07:15,340 --> 00:07:10,340 home or a basement or an attic so I'm 174 00:07:16,840 --> 00:07:15,350 used to you know a smaller area and so 175 00:07:18,700 --> 00:07:16,850 that that was one of the main main 176 00:07:20,470 --> 00:07:18,710 differences but a lot of the techniques 177 00:07:22,180 --> 00:07:20,480 with interviewing and most of the 178 00:07:24,370 --> 00:07:22,190 equipment was all it all kind of just 179 00:07:28,270 --> 00:07:24,380 blended into the other investigations so 180 00:07:31,690 --> 00:07:28,280 gotcha no Chuck there is another member 181 00:07:35,380 --> 00:07:31,700 of the investigation team who you're 182 00:07:38,380 --> 00:07:35,390 quite close with I would say how how did 183 00:07:40,540 --> 00:07:38,390 Dan you'll get involved who's Daniel and 184 00:07:43,600 --> 00:07:40,550 what made you want to bring him in to do 185 00:07:48,190 --> 00:07:43,610 this show well it's interesting because 186 00:07:50,140 --> 00:07:48,200 you know I just you know for a long time 187 00:07:54,670 --> 00:07:50,150 now I've been taking family members on 188 00:07:57,520 --> 00:07:54,680 on my investigations and you know they 189 00:07:58,960 --> 00:07:57,530 they basically originally talked with my 190 00:08:02,710 --> 00:07:58,970 elder son and the talk to my daughter 191 00:08:06,400 --> 00:08:02,720 and talked about Daniel and then it was 192 00:08:08,140 --> 00:08:06,410 between they decided well you know they 193 00:08:09,730 --> 00:08:08,150 want to kind of like two males so they 194 00:08:14,050 --> 00:08:09,740 kind of decided either between my son 195 00:08:15,760 --> 00:08:14,060 Daniel and my sighing chuckles just Dan 196 00:08:20,080 --> 00:08:15,770 was pretty cool he's pretty energetic 197 00:08:23,110 --> 00:08:20,090 and and he's on top of things my son 198 00:08:25,000 --> 00:08:23,120 Chuck is more reserved so I think you 199 00:08:28,420 --> 00:08:25,010 know are the two they decided on Daniel 200 00:08:30,430 --> 00:08:28,430 because I you know he's a go-getter and 201 00:08:32,560 --> 00:08:30,440 if you watch the show it was really kind 202 00:08:34,360 --> 00:08:32,570 of funny because you know what he was 203 00:08:36,190 --> 00:08:34,370 doing on the show was exactly what he 204 00:08:38,140 --> 00:08:36,200 does in real life you know he gets his 205 00:08:41,230 --> 00:08:38,150 mind set on doing something he takes off 206 00:08:43,720 --> 00:08:41,240 he gets focused on it and you know there 207 00:08:45,340 --> 00:08:43,730 was times were where he would just split 208 00:08:45,820 --> 00:08:45,350 up from the group and take off on his 209 00:08:47,890 --> 00:08:45,830 own 210 00:08:52,330 --> 00:08:47,900 and finally we assigned you know camera 211 00:08:53,980 --> 00:08:52,340 Neil to him and GoPro on his chest in a 212 00:08:54,970 --> 00:08:53,990 few times you know with him taking off 213 00:08:56,829 --> 00:08:54,980 on his own looking for 214 00:08:59,500 --> 00:08:56,839 evidence you came across some good 215 00:09:01,480 --> 00:08:59,510 evidence and we have some really 216 00:09:03,280 --> 00:09:01,490 powerful to that comes over that so I 217 00:09:07,090 --> 00:09:03,290 was really happy that he was part of the 218 00:09:09,879 --> 00:09:07,100 team yeah I think he brought just a 219 00:09:12,129 --> 00:09:09,889 whole level of for those who may not be 220 00:09:15,490 --> 00:09:12,139 familiar with a paranormal world or the 221 00:09:18,280 --> 00:09:15,500 UFO world that very grounded skeptical 222 00:09:21,790 --> 00:09:18,290 lengths that a lot of investigation 223 00:09:23,910 --> 00:09:21,800 actually really needs so I guess we'll 224 00:09:28,540 --> 00:09:23,920 just dive in in terms of that 225 00:09:31,389 --> 00:09:28,550 investigation and evidence I want to 226 00:09:33,819 --> 00:09:31,399 start with the Missouri mayhem episode 227 00:09:36,639 --> 00:09:33,829 with you guys this was a pretty 228 00:09:39,100 --> 00:09:36,649 interesting one there was a huge you 229 00:09:41,199 --> 00:09:39,110 know a rash of sightings a UFO flap or 230 00:09:45,220 --> 00:09:41,209 wave as we would call it in the UFO 231 00:09:47,470 --> 00:09:45,230 world and this was part of the Piedmont 232 00:09:49,840 --> 00:09:47,480 lights incident which I'm sure a lot of 233 00:09:51,699 --> 00:09:49,850 our UFO crowd might know about but um 234 00:09:54,340 --> 00:09:51,709 yeah could you guys maybe give us a 235 00:09:57,129 --> 00:09:54,350 little bit a little overview of what 236 00:10:01,030 --> 00:09:57,139 this episode was and kind of what you 237 00:10:03,629 --> 00:10:01,040 set out to do with it well um I'll start 238 00:10:07,780 --> 00:10:03,639 first of all we'll talk real short so I 239 00:10:10,949 --> 00:10:07,790 feel bad about Heather sometimes the 240 00:10:13,180 --> 00:10:10,959 problem is some of these episodes were 241 00:10:15,670 --> 00:10:13,190 investigations that I was involved with 242 00:10:17,860 --> 00:10:15,680 and in so I'd go into him when I totally 243 00:10:19,360 --> 00:10:17,870 forget Dan and Heather were there and I 244 00:10:21,879 --> 00:10:19,370 was being off on my own and there's this 245 00:10:23,319 --> 00:10:21,889 kind of going alright alright yeah we'd 246 00:10:26,829 --> 00:10:23,329 be quiet so he can get a word in 247 00:10:29,019 --> 00:10:26,839 edgewise yeah I've been you know peed 248 00:10:32,699 --> 00:10:29,029 moms was something I've worked on before 249 00:10:36,340 --> 00:10:32,709 and then I actually did an episode for a 250 00:10:37,840 --> 00:10:36,350 science channel where I covered a little 251 00:10:39,460 --> 00:10:37,850 bit of Piedmont so it was kind of cool 252 00:10:42,129 --> 00:10:39,470 to go back there again 253 00:10:43,509 --> 00:10:42,139 and they were still having some some 254 00:10:48,129 --> 00:10:43,519 activities but you know they had a big 255 00:10:52,050 --> 00:10:48,139 UFO flap forgot should I forgot there 256 00:10:56,439 --> 00:10:52,060 was late 70s or so or um I think there's 257 00:11:03,280 --> 00:10:56,449 1973 yeah yeah yeah Heather would know 258 00:11:05,679 --> 00:11:03,290 because she yeah yeah okay yeah that's 259 00:11:09,069 --> 00:11:05,689 what I do I like the way what did I say 260 00:11:12,040 --> 00:11:09,079 two weeks ago I know that 261 00:11:13,690 --> 00:11:12,050 yeah and so they had ass big UFO flap 262 00:11:16,420 --> 00:11:13,700 and then since then there's been 263 00:11:18,639 --> 00:11:16,430 sightings there ever since and then 264 00:11:20,230 --> 00:11:18,649 Missouri is really really hot and in 265 00:11:22,870 --> 00:11:20,240 Wasilla even more interesting is 266 00:11:24,490 --> 00:11:22,880 Clearwater Lake which is near Piedmont 267 00:11:26,650 --> 00:11:24,500 when I lived in Missouri my father and I 268 00:11:28,509 --> 00:11:26,660 used to fish there my father's gone now 269 00:11:30,069 --> 00:11:28,519 but when we were there at the lake you 270 00:11:32,530 --> 00:11:30,079 know brought back memories and you know 271 00:11:34,300 --> 00:11:32,540 me and my father fishing there and at 272 00:11:36,790 --> 00:11:34,310 the time I didn't you know when I was a 273 00:11:39,250 --> 00:11:36,800 kid fishing there I didn't realize you 274 00:11:40,930 --> 00:11:39,260 know exactly what happened there and the 275 00:11:43,000 --> 00:11:40,940 fact that you know eyewitnesses saw this 276 00:11:45,340 --> 00:11:43,010 giant craft hovering over the water 277 00:11:46,720 --> 00:11:45,350 clear water lake and you know and then 278 00:11:48,960 --> 00:11:46,730 you know shooting up out of the sky so 279 00:11:51,639 --> 00:11:48,970 it was pretty cool to go back there 280 00:11:53,199 --> 00:11:51,649 Heather yeah Heather what were your 281 00:11:55,540 --> 00:11:53,209 thoughts on this episode what did you 282 00:11:57,519 --> 00:11:55,550 find most compelling about it well for 283 00:11:59,290 --> 00:11:57,529 me I really liked talking to the 284 00:12:02,199 --> 00:11:59,300 researcher when we went to elephant 285 00:12:04,689 --> 00:12:02,209 rocks and he had this very detailed map 286 00:12:06,610 --> 00:12:04,699 of all these fault lines of the area and 287 00:12:08,110 --> 00:12:06,620 I really thought it was interesting that 288 00:12:10,000 --> 00:12:08,120 he you know he came up with a theory 289 00:12:12,970 --> 00:12:10,010 that these fault lines were creating 290 00:12:15,220 --> 00:12:12,980 energy that was we're attracting these 291 00:12:17,439 --> 00:12:15,230 UFOs so I I don't know there's something 292 00:12:20,230 --> 00:12:17,449 about that it really resonated with me I 293 00:12:21,910 --> 00:12:20,240 really liked that idea and the whole 294 00:12:23,050 --> 00:12:21,920 investigation of Clearwater Lake it was 295 00:12:25,319 --> 00:12:23,060 just it was beautiful and that was 296 00:12:27,970 --> 00:12:25,329 actually the first episode we filmed and 297 00:12:29,800 --> 00:12:27,980 I think when you watched it it seems 298 00:12:31,540 --> 00:12:29,810 very natural the way that we work with 299 00:12:33,189 --> 00:12:31,550 each other and and everything so I 300 00:12:36,160 --> 00:12:33,199 really liked that one and also too you 301 00:12:37,600 --> 00:12:36,170 know we had a town hall full of you know 302 00:12:39,220 --> 00:12:37,610 people that lived in the small town and 303 00:12:41,439 --> 00:12:39,230 they're all telling us about their 304 00:12:43,300 --> 00:12:41,449 experiences not realizing that they're 305 00:12:45,220 --> 00:12:43,310 the person sitting next to them has been 306 00:12:47,019 --> 00:12:45,230 having the same experience experience 307 00:12:49,060 --> 00:12:47,029 they've just been all really you know 308 00:12:50,439 --> 00:12:49,070 kind of scared to talk about it so it's 309 00:12:52,540 --> 00:12:50,449 really cool to get all those people on 310 00:12:53,110 --> 00:12:52,550 ogram and just open up here everyone's 311 00:12:55,990 --> 00:12:53,120 stories 312 00:12:59,170 --> 00:12:56,000 I find that Town Hall sort of thing 313 00:13:02,769 --> 00:12:59,180 fascinating because that is when you can 314 00:13:05,500 --> 00:13:02,779 really kind of get the the character of 315 00:13:08,110 --> 00:13:05,510 a town and how these events are 316 00:13:09,460 --> 00:13:08,120 affecting them all and to you know for 317 00:13:10,870 --> 00:13:09,470 them to all come together and all have 318 00:13:13,300 --> 00:13:10,880 different stories like that's an 319 00:13:15,189 --> 00:13:13,310 investigators dream you know you you 320 00:13:18,490 --> 00:13:15,199 don't even have to really go out and do 321 00:13:20,650 --> 00:13:18,500 the the legwork they're coming to you so 322 00:13:22,210 --> 00:13:20,660 that was a really cool way I think for 323 00:13:25,330 --> 00:13:22,220 you guys to really get to the 324 00:13:28,810 --> 00:13:25,340 the core of this investigation now was 325 00:13:31,390 --> 00:13:28,820 there any sort of incidents or I guess 326 00:13:34,380 --> 00:13:31,400 pieces of evidence in this episode that 327 00:13:36,850 --> 00:13:34,390 really like really stood out to you guys 328 00:13:40,060 --> 00:13:36,860 there there was a there was a couple of 329 00:13:42,340 --> 00:13:40,070 of one-offs plane it was really really 330 00:13:44,530 --> 00:13:42,350 cool but the one that really kind of 331 00:13:46,900 --> 00:13:44,540 threw me I don't know if that didn't you 332 00:13:49,060 --> 00:13:46,910 know through heather was when we were 333 00:13:50,680 --> 00:13:49,070 filming there just together for the 334 00:13:53,200 --> 00:13:50,690 first time the executive producer from 335 00:13:55,270 --> 00:13:53,210 Travel Channel showed up and then she's 336 00:13:57,490 --> 00:13:55,280 there outside watching us are you 337 00:13:58,690 --> 00:13:57,500 talking about being nervous and and 338 00:14:01,120 --> 00:13:58,700 whether or not you're doing everything 339 00:14:02,800 --> 00:14:01,130 right or not you know it took a little 340 00:14:04,930 --> 00:14:02,810 different you know after I talked with 341 00:14:07,510 --> 00:14:04,940 her you know to kind of relax and and 342 00:14:09,430 --> 00:14:07,520 you know not not you know because we're 343 00:14:11,460 --> 00:14:09,440 trying to impress this is our you know 344 00:14:13,540 --> 00:14:11,470 our first episode we're shooting and 345 00:14:15,940 --> 00:14:13,550 travel channel could have pulled the 346 00:14:17,710 --> 00:14:15,950 plug any time saying yeah you know what 347 00:14:21,400 --> 00:14:17,720 it's just not working but Heather was 348 00:14:22,870 --> 00:14:21,410 right you know we really gelled and came 349 00:14:24,310 --> 00:14:22,880 together really well even with the first 350 00:14:29,350 --> 00:14:24,320 episode and with a production company 351 00:14:31,150 --> 00:14:29,360 the one thing and I let Heather you know 352 00:14:34,060 --> 00:14:31,160 talk about this also it really blew me 353 00:14:37,150 --> 00:14:34,070 away was we went to a ranch and there 354 00:14:40,210 --> 00:14:37,160 was there was this kind of like a circle 355 00:14:41,980 --> 00:14:40,220 where a craft supposedly trapped planet 356 00:14:43,720 --> 00:14:41,990 or something but some of the props are 357 00:14:46,660 --> 00:14:43,730 seen these things before with cattle 358 00:14:50,650 --> 00:14:46,670 mutilations and we had a picture of it 359 00:14:53,230 --> 00:14:50,660 and and we were able to to use like a 360 00:14:55,390 --> 00:14:53,240 slide picture attitudes to know exactly 361 00:14:56,710 --> 00:14:55,400 where circle was after a few months 362 00:15:00,550 --> 00:14:56,720 because it happened in the summertime 363 00:15:02,920 --> 00:15:00,560 and when I was I was getting some soil 364 00:15:04,540 --> 00:15:02,930 samples and then but when I was walking 365 00:15:07,450 --> 00:15:04,550 out to check the EMF electromagnetic 366 00:15:09,970 --> 00:15:07,460 field which I normally do my meter was 367 00:15:12,610 --> 00:15:09,980 just just going crazy and I'm going holy 368 00:15:15,130 --> 00:15:12,620 mackerel man even even after you know 369 00:15:17,320 --> 00:15:15,140 what six months or so this this place 370 00:15:19,600 --> 00:15:17,330 was still active there's still energy in 371 00:15:21,610 --> 00:15:19,610 this circle around their circle and was 372 00:15:24,160 --> 00:15:21,620 even more cool and he left it in the 373 00:15:25,990 --> 00:15:24,170 show was Jason our cameraman was 374 00:15:28,170 --> 00:15:26,000 following me and as he got close to the 375 00:15:32,950 --> 00:15:28,180 edge of the circle is camera actually 376 00:15:35,079 --> 00:15:32,960 reset now this is a $70,000 red camera 377 00:15:35,980 --> 00:15:35,089 that's the manufacturer and these are 378 00:15:37,960 --> 00:15:35,990 the same cameras 379 00:15:40,269 --> 00:15:37,970 use shooting guardians of the galaxy a 380 00:15:43,389 --> 00:15:40,279 lot of Marvel movies and for his camera 381 00:15:44,620 --> 00:15:43,399 just to reset on itself for no reason at 382 00:15:45,550 --> 00:15:44,630 all man it's the first time it's ever 383 00:15:47,710 --> 00:15:45,560 happened to him 384 00:15:50,800 --> 00:15:47,720 and so we kind of left we left at him 385 00:15:53,530 --> 00:15:50,810 but what didn't make it him was we had a 386 00:15:55,600 --> 00:15:53,540 drone you know shooting over over the 387 00:15:57,730 --> 00:15:55,610 top of us when I was once Heather and I 388 00:16:00,880 --> 00:15:57,740 were doing soil samples and stuff and 389 00:16:03,579 --> 00:16:00,890 and when the drone operator Daniel 390 00:16:05,829 --> 00:16:03,589 versus named Heather anyway yeah yeah 391 00:16:08,470 --> 00:16:05,839 anyway but to go laughs a drone are you 392 00:16:15,190 --> 00:16:08,480 standing in a circle and hang on I'll 393 00:16:18,310 --> 00:16:15,200 show you okay see these drones they've 394 00:16:20,920 --> 00:16:18,320 got they got cameras and have solar on 395 00:16:22,990 --> 00:16:20,930 the bottom and oh when he goes to land 396 00:16:25,269 --> 00:16:23,000 it can see the ground and they have 397 00:16:26,949 --> 00:16:25,279 automatic landing so it doesn't crash 398 00:16:30,699 --> 00:16:26,959 the Joe like I crashed my last run 399 00:16:32,949 --> 00:16:30,709 that's why I have this one so Daniel was 400 00:16:35,710 --> 00:16:32,959 bringing the drone down and it couldn't 401 00:16:38,650 --> 00:16:35,720 find the ground it literally would stop 402 00:16:40,280 --> 00:16:38,660 and it couldn't find it and whoops I 403 00:16:43,560 --> 00:16:40,290 just turned it on by accident 404 00:16:48,519 --> 00:16:43,570 [Laughter] 405 00:16:50,019 --> 00:16:48,529 tragedy live on the air and and it 406 00:16:52,329 --> 00:16:50,029 couldn't find the ground he couldn't 407 00:16:54,880 --> 00:16:52,339 land it it just that's the safety 408 00:16:56,350 --> 00:16:54,890 feature so doesn't crash so he's he's 409 00:16:58,030 --> 00:16:56,360 working with him if they finally just 410 00:16:59,980 --> 00:16:58,040 grabbed it with his hand like this and 411 00:17:00,460 --> 00:16:59,990 pulled away and I said that was pretty 412 00:17:03,610 --> 00:17:00,470 awesome 413 00:17:05,770 --> 00:17:03,620 you know EMF camera and the drones 414 00:17:08,710 --> 00:17:05,780 wouldn't you know they all three had 415 00:17:10,660 --> 00:17:08,720 issues with that circle interesting 416 00:17:12,960 --> 00:17:10,670 there did anything really memorable 417 00:17:15,130 --> 00:17:12,970 stick out to you during this one um 418 00:17:17,199 --> 00:17:15,140 definitely that story because you could 419 00:17:19,270 --> 00:17:17,209 see the look of shock on Jason who was 420 00:17:20,590 --> 00:17:19,280 our camera operator on his face and he's 421 00:17:22,780 --> 00:17:20,600 been in the business for a really long 422 00:17:24,280 --> 00:17:22,790 time so he just see the look of shock 423 00:17:25,419 --> 00:17:24,290 like what just happened to my camera 424 00:17:27,880 --> 00:17:25,429 like this shouldn't have happened 425 00:17:30,970 --> 00:17:27,890 that was pretty pretty compelling to see 426 00:17:34,030 --> 00:17:30,980 so but something that that was a little 427 00:17:36,549 --> 00:17:34,040 fun behind the scenes fact was when I 428 00:17:39,610 --> 00:17:36,559 dropped off the soil samples that was at 429 00:17:42,280 --> 00:17:39,620 a lab in st. Louis we were we figured it 430 00:17:47,470 --> 00:17:42,290 out that we were less than a mile away 431 00:17:49,289 --> 00:17:47,480 from the the house where the way that 432 00:17:51,629 --> 00:17:49,299 the Exorcist was based on where 433 00:17:53,729 --> 00:17:51,639 he lived for like during the peak of his 434 00:17:54,899 --> 00:17:53,739 possession in this house and so Chuck 435 00:17:56,850 --> 00:17:54,909 and I were like let's let's go take a 436 00:17:59,310 --> 00:17:56,860 drive we have a lunch break let's go and 437 00:18:01,739 --> 00:17:59,320 check it out so we went to look at it 438 00:18:04,049 --> 00:18:01,749 and it was really funny because the 439 00:18:05,430 --> 00:18:04,059 owner walked out and she she looked like 440 00:18:06,989 --> 00:18:05,440 someone you would think would own this 441 00:18:08,759 --> 00:18:06,999 house she had bright purple pink hair 442 00:18:09,899 --> 00:18:08,769 she was really cool and we just pulled 443 00:18:11,850 --> 00:18:09,909 up Chuck's truck and we were just 444 00:18:14,129 --> 00:18:11,860 talking to her and Chuck was like you 445 00:18:15,629 --> 00:18:14,139 should get a Linda Blair decoration for 446 00:18:20,690 --> 00:18:15,639 your for Halloween and put it on your 447 00:18:23,129 --> 00:18:20,700 front live not the window or something 448 00:18:25,259 --> 00:18:23,139 and that was cool about this you know we 449 00:18:27,149 --> 00:18:25,269 we did some stuff on her own we had time 450 00:18:29,700 --> 00:18:27,159 we really only have a lot of time you 451 00:18:32,159 --> 00:18:29,710 know between shoots because and we were 452 00:18:33,930 --> 00:18:32,169 pretty packed but when Heather said hey 453 00:18:36,509 --> 00:18:33,940 the Exorcist house is here and went oh 454 00:18:38,479 --> 00:18:36,519 she doesn't Missouri isn't it she was 455 00:18:41,430 --> 00:18:38,489 yes near Bonnie but yeah let's do it 456 00:18:44,039 --> 00:18:41,440 absolutely I mean that's I I was just 457 00:18:46,529 --> 00:18:44,049 talking about it just the other day on 458 00:18:48,629 --> 00:18:46,539 another on another podcast thing you 459 00:18:53,070 --> 00:18:48,639 know that was just sorry Heather I was 460 00:18:56,279 --> 00:18:53,080 talking about um yeah but basically said 461 00:18:57,509 --> 00:18:56,289 the same thing you suggested see that's 462 00:18:59,489 --> 00:18:57,519 one of the things I won't forget either 463 00:19:02,119 --> 00:18:59,499 because that was kind of cool and all of 464 00:19:05,190 --> 00:19:02,129 our tricks to White Castle okay 465 00:19:06,570 --> 00:19:05,200 yeah understand yeah that was true the 466 00:19:07,489 --> 00:19:06,580 first time we went to White Castle was 467 00:19:12,629 --> 00:19:07,499 on my birthday 468 00:19:19,529 --> 00:19:12,639 December 12th and I should I'm sorry 469 00:19:21,419 --> 00:19:19,539 December reject that engineering me 470 00:19:23,909 --> 00:19:21,429 everything's gotta be numbers yeah 471 00:19:25,320 --> 00:19:23,919 anyway we were there shooting yeah it 472 00:19:27,060 --> 00:19:25,330 was my birthday and they said what we 473 00:19:28,830 --> 00:19:27,070 want to go and I said ye salute Missouri 474 00:19:30,570 --> 00:19:28,840 so I want to go to White Castle 475 00:19:33,810 --> 00:19:30,580 cuz it's been a long time they go are 476 00:19:37,080 --> 00:19:33,820 you kidding really my castle yeah so low 477 00:19:39,930 --> 00:19:37,090 you know the production crew most erotic 478 00:19:43,919 --> 00:19:39,940 who came with us and we got a new Bert 479 00:19:45,869 --> 00:19:43,929 with a van and all we oh you went to 480 00:19:48,419 --> 00:19:45,879 White Castle it just loaded up on White 481 00:19:50,190 --> 00:19:48,429 Castle oh so much fun hey man you do 482 00:19:52,619 --> 00:19:50,200 what you got to do I remember I went to 483 00:19:54,629 --> 00:19:52,629 a White Castle at 3 a.m. in the morning 484 00:19:56,489 --> 00:19:54,639 on the Vegas strip so that's when you 485 00:20:00,180 --> 00:19:56,499 know you've hit rock bottom in my 486 00:20:02,670 --> 00:20:00,190 opinion but it tasted so good so yeah 487 00:20:04,560 --> 00:20:02,680 yeah no I'm I'm happy to hear that 488 00:20:07,170 --> 00:20:04,570 well we stay in Missouri Missouri 489 00:20:09,540 --> 00:20:07,180 actually for the next episode this one 490 00:20:11,730 --> 00:20:09,550 was called the UFO terror and this was 491 00:20:14,670 --> 00:20:11,740 this one was tough this is a pretty 492 00:20:17,840 --> 00:20:14,680 emotional episode where you really get 493 00:20:21,810 --> 00:20:17,850 to see how a UFO incident or incidents 494 00:20:23,580 --> 00:20:21,820 affect a person I mean it can be 495 00:20:26,040 --> 00:20:23,590 sometimes for the good and sometimes 496 00:20:27,620 --> 00:20:26,050 really not and it really depends on how 497 00:20:31,350 --> 00:20:27,630 a witness or an experienced or either 498 00:20:34,230 --> 00:20:31,360 you know embraces an event or rejects it 499 00:20:36,360 --> 00:20:34,240 so um yeah what do you guys maybe run us 500 00:20:39,390 --> 00:20:36,370 a little through a UFO terror and what 501 00:20:41,820 --> 00:20:39,400 it was like you know talking to these 502 00:20:43,890 --> 00:20:41,830 people in this one okay basically this 503 00:20:48,050 --> 00:20:43,900 was this was my investigation it came to 504 00:20:52,140 --> 00:20:48,060 my website UFO nut calm calm plug plug 505 00:20:54,540 --> 00:20:52,150 look basically it came to my website and 506 00:20:57,690 --> 00:20:54,550 I'm going wow this is a combination of 507 00:20:59,520 --> 00:20:57,700 possible abduction or something and UFOs 508 00:21:01,080 --> 00:20:59,530 and neighbors seen him and maybe 509 00:21:01,530 --> 00:21:01,090 creatures and all kinds of stuff going 510 00:21:07,140 --> 00:21:01,540 on 511 00:21:08,910 --> 00:21:07,150 Debi Ziegler who was an investigator in 512 00:21:10,230 --> 00:21:08,920 Missouri and I asked her can you can you 513 00:21:11,760 --> 00:21:10,240 go over there and check it out for me 514 00:21:13,890 --> 00:21:11,770 please and and see if there's anything 515 00:21:17,280 --> 00:21:13,900 to this when she came back when it's hot 516 00:21:19,530 --> 00:21:17,290 it's really hot and so when we we talked 517 00:21:22,410 --> 00:21:19,540 about episodes they said we definitely 518 00:21:24,030 --> 00:21:22,420 have to do this guaranteed guarantee 519 00:21:27,330 --> 00:21:24,040 you're going to get some evidence and we 520 00:21:29,220 --> 00:21:27,340 did so you know I'll stop right there 521 00:21:33,420 --> 00:21:29,230 and I'll let Heather chime in and then I 522 00:21:35,880 --> 00:21:33,430 can come in afterwards it was definitely 523 00:21:38,070 --> 00:21:35,890 it for me it was reminiscent of you know 524 00:21:39,690 --> 00:21:38,080 the format of a parent estate episode 525 00:21:42,030 --> 00:21:39,700 you know these people were being 526 00:21:43,740 --> 00:21:42,040 targeted by phenomena and it's our job 527 00:21:45,450 --> 00:21:43,750 to go in there and you know find out a 528 00:21:47,250 --> 00:21:45,460 little bit about their past and what 529 00:21:48,660 --> 00:21:47,260 they were experiencing now and kind of 530 00:21:55,140 --> 00:21:48,670 their mindset through this whole 531 00:21:57,600 --> 00:21:55,150 situation so for me the hit the whole 532 00:22:00,330 --> 00:21:57,610 hypnosis session was really incredible 533 00:22:01,770 --> 00:22:00,340 to me because you could see Steve it was 534 00:22:03,660 --> 00:22:01,780 just like he was taken back to that 535 00:22:06,420 --> 00:22:03,670 experience like it was if it was as if 536 00:22:09,000 --> 00:22:06,430 he was still a teenager and for him to 537 00:22:14,820 --> 00:22:09,010 recount everything it was incredible and 538 00:22:16,499 --> 00:22:14,830 even the the hypnotherapist was like I 539 00:22:19,739 --> 00:22:16,509 definitely believe him and she 540 00:22:22,499 --> 00:22:19,749 had no prior knowledge - you know him 541 00:22:24,239 --> 00:22:22,509 being abducted so and she didn't lead 542 00:22:27,209 --> 00:22:24,249 him in any way and it was her first time 543 00:22:29,009 --> 00:22:27,219 doing a session like this so that the 544 00:22:30,180 --> 00:22:29,019 hypnosis - the session really stuck out 545 00:22:32,459 --> 00:22:30,190 to me and something that didn't make the 546 00:22:36,269 --> 00:22:32,469 episode was in that session he kind of 547 00:22:38,999 --> 00:22:36,279 recounted that this being took him to 548 00:22:40,560 --> 00:22:39,009 the top of this mountain and pointed out 549 00:22:43,199 --> 00:22:40,570 to the city lights and said to him that 550 00:22:44,969 --> 00:22:43,209 the city lights were bad so we kind of 551 00:22:46,409 --> 00:22:44,979 connected that to we're you know he's 552 00:22:47,999 --> 00:22:46,419 seeing all these legs and everything he 553 00:22:52,559 --> 00:22:48,009 sees it's taking him back to this 554 00:22:55,139 --> 00:22:52,569 original traumatizing event no I mean 555 00:22:58,169 --> 00:22:55,149 between the I guess the three of you 556 00:23:01,079 --> 00:22:58,179 Daniel included what do you guys make of 557 00:23:04,229 --> 00:23:01,089 of hypnosis when it comes to people 558 00:23:07,169 --> 00:23:04,239 claiming alien abductions or you know 559 00:23:09,719 --> 00:23:07,179 close encounter experiences it's a very 560 00:23:11,639 --> 00:23:09,729 controversial and touchy thing so I was 561 00:23:13,559 --> 00:23:11,649 really surprised to see you guys go down 562 00:23:15,719 --> 00:23:13,569 that route in the episode but that's 563 00:23:18,689 --> 00:23:15,729 that's one of the only avenues we have 564 00:23:20,549 --> 00:23:18,699 to get these memories from people so I'd 565 00:23:23,099 --> 00:23:20,559 love to know your individual thoughts on 566 00:23:26,399 --> 00:23:23,109 hypnosis when it comes to investigating 567 00:23:31,409 --> 00:23:26,409 claimed abductions I've worked with a 568 00:23:34,409 --> 00:23:31,419 few hypnotherapist who you know who do 569 00:23:38,269 --> 00:23:34,419 regression and it's really interesting 570 00:23:41,819 --> 00:23:38,279 if if the you know but the thing is this 571 00:23:45,499 --> 00:23:41,829 you know you you really have to to know 572 00:23:49,259 --> 00:23:45,509 whether or not the person is under and 573 00:23:52,529 --> 00:23:49,269 with you know this one is that beautiful 574 00:23:54,329 --> 00:23:52,539 that would be Steve darling um when he 575 00:23:56,669 --> 00:23:54,339 was going under with his hypnotherapist 576 00:23:59,459 --> 00:23:56,679 now it was kind of cool about it is this 577 00:24:02,339 --> 00:23:59,469 therapist has never done any alien or 578 00:24:07,319 --> 00:24:02,349 UFO stuff she's basically you know 579 00:24:09,389 --> 00:24:07,329 dreams was was her specialty and when 580 00:24:11,309 --> 00:24:09,399 she's the questions she was asking and 581 00:24:13,619 --> 00:24:11,319 some of the things the answers and stuff 582 00:24:16,709 --> 00:24:13,629 there was no way she could lead him if 583 00:24:18,479 --> 00:24:16,719 he wasn't you know under it you know 584 00:24:20,909 --> 00:24:18,489 anything wasn't hypnotized basically 585 00:24:22,319 --> 00:24:20,919 because she didn't really know that much 586 00:24:24,899 --> 00:24:22,329 about the apology 587 00:24:26,279 --> 00:24:24,909 and so it was really cool watching that 588 00:24:27,359 --> 00:24:26,289 but when we first started watching all 589 00:24:29,579 --> 00:24:27,369 this all three of us were kind of 590 00:24:30,210 --> 00:24:29,589 watching it off-camera and Daniel and I 591 00:24:32,039 --> 00:24:30,220 are looking at 592 00:24:36,450 --> 00:24:32,049 each other Indians ringy I don't think 593 00:24:38,399 --> 00:24:36,460 so you know and handy and then the more 594 00:24:39,720 --> 00:24:38,409 you watch the more you realize oh my 595 00:24:42,029 --> 00:24:39,730 gosh he really was 596 00:24:45,299 --> 00:24:42,039 she took him back when he was a kid and 597 00:24:47,640 --> 00:24:45,309 then she brought him further or or back 598 00:24:49,380 --> 00:24:47,650 a little bit when he's a teenager but he 599 00:24:50,640 --> 00:24:49,390 was still in the kid state you know he 600 00:24:53,130 --> 00:24:50,650 was still like eight or nine years old 601 00:24:54,750 --> 00:24:53,140 asking or answering the questions he 602 00:24:56,789 --> 00:24:54,760 stayed there even though he was 603 00:25:00,120 --> 00:24:56,799 answering the questions as a teenager so 604 00:25:02,340 --> 00:25:00,130 it was really cool to see that and I'll 605 00:25:06,029 --> 00:25:02,350 go I'll let Heather 606 00:25:07,950 --> 00:25:06,039 chime in yeah what do you like that Vong 607 00:25:10,980 --> 00:25:07,960 what do you make of regression hypnosis 608 00:25:12,720 --> 00:25:10,990 I mean I I would think it's pretty 609 00:25:14,880 --> 00:25:12,730 useful because you know you're you're 610 00:25:16,890 --> 00:25:14,890 tapping into your unconscious mind which 611 00:25:18,779 --> 00:25:16,900 is a really that's always been a really 612 00:25:21,570 --> 00:25:18,789 fascinating thing to me you know the 613 00:25:23,520 --> 00:25:21,580 subconscious mind so you would think 614 00:25:25,020 --> 00:25:23,530 that it would help uncover things that 615 00:25:28,830 --> 00:25:25,030 you kind of you know put in the back of 616 00:25:30,330 --> 00:25:28,840 your your your memory box so I mean I 617 00:25:32,549 --> 00:25:30,340 don't think it hurts any kind of 618 00:25:35,220 --> 00:25:32,559 situation I think in this situation it 619 00:25:37,770 --> 00:25:35,230 was it was pretty useful and hopefully 620 00:25:39,149 --> 00:25:37,780 Steve kind of found some peace from 621 00:25:40,620 --> 00:25:39,159 being able you know get that out because 622 00:25:43,860 --> 00:25:40,630 he hadn't told I don't think he had told 623 00:25:47,340 --> 00:25:43,870 anyone besides his wife about that story 624 00:25:49,409 --> 00:25:47,350 so yeah yeah that's tough and I've dealt 625 00:25:52,020 --> 00:25:49,419 with a lot of experiences in my time 626 00:25:54,270 --> 00:25:52,030 it's not easy so yeah that was that's a 627 00:25:58,080 --> 00:25:54,280 pretty emotional episode I would say um 628 00:25:59,700 --> 00:25:58,090 but the next one got a little dark and I 629 00:26:02,010 --> 00:25:59,710 see a lot of people here are asking 630 00:26:04,440 --> 00:26:02,020 about the skinwalker episode we'll get 631 00:26:07,860 --> 00:26:04,450 there or get in there that was probably 632 00:26:11,100 --> 00:26:07,870 one of the most popular ones that a lot 633 00:26:14,039 --> 00:26:11,110 of fans really liked but yeah let's go 634 00:26:16,020 --> 00:26:14,049 to the next one here we've got Murder on 635 00:26:17,930 --> 00:26:16,030 the Prairie now Chuck this is a topic 636 00:26:20,580 --> 00:26:17,940 that a lot of people know you for 637 00:26:22,680 --> 00:26:20,590 mutilations so um and this is in your 638 00:26:25,260 --> 00:26:22,690 home in your neck of the woods Colorado 639 00:26:28,680 --> 00:26:25,270 so yeah maybe we could talk a little bit 640 00:26:30,840 --> 00:26:28,690 about what you came across murder on the 641 00:26:32,220 --> 00:26:30,850 Prairie this episode was called so yeah 642 00:26:34,320 --> 00:26:32,230 could you maybe run us through a little 643 00:26:39,870 --> 00:26:34,330 about what this episode was about yeah 644 00:26:41,820 --> 00:26:39,880 um basically that was another one of my 645 00:26:43,800 --> 00:26:41,830 investigation of course this was 646 00:26:46,920 --> 00:26:43,810 Colorado and 647 00:26:48,810 --> 00:26:46,930 probably out of out of all the cattle 648 00:26:51,060 --> 00:26:48,820 mutilation for animal mutilation 649 00:26:53,220 --> 00:26:51,070 investigators in u.s. there's only like 650 00:26:55,650 --> 00:26:53,230 top three and really top two and that's 651 00:26:58,530 --> 00:26:55,660 me and Christopher O Brien wheel in the 652 00:27:00,120 --> 00:26:58,540 house not really doing it anymore so i 653 00:27:02,850 --> 00:27:00,130 I've had a lot of experience doing 654 00:27:05,310 --> 00:27:02,860 animal mutilation investigations I'm not 655 00:27:09,200 --> 00:27:05,320 only here in Colorado but Missouri and 656 00:27:11,250 --> 00:27:09,210 then New Mexico and some other places so 657 00:27:16,380 --> 00:27:11,260 this was kind of interesting because 658 00:27:19,170 --> 00:27:16,390 when I was working on a case that was in 659 00:27:21,840 --> 00:27:19,180 Colorado when we were talking when Rick 660 00:27:24,360 --> 00:27:21,850 though the the creators show was talking 661 00:27:25,860 --> 00:27:24,370 to me about you know what type of cases 662 00:27:27,630 --> 00:27:25,870 we should do and stuff it was 663 00:27:30,090 --> 00:27:27,640 interesting we were in my office right 664 00:27:35,220 --> 00:27:30,100 here chatting and I got a phone call 665 00:27:38,040 --> 00:27:35,230 from the witness in the West Cliff 666 00:27:40,050 --> 00:27:38,050 Colorado and he'd lost another you know 667 00:27:43,560 --> 00:27:40,060 another couple of animals it was really 668 00:27:45,330 --> 00:27:43,570 really interesting that that while Rick 669 00:27:46,380 --> 00:27:45,340 was here and I think I think Neil might 670 00:27:47,370 --> 00:27:46,390 have been here at the time too and they 671 00:27:50,280 --> 00:27:47,380 were just shooting some extra footage 672 00:27:52,920 --> 00:27:50,290 that you know just just just you know 673 00:27:56,760 --> 00:27:52,930 for pitching that I actually had the 674 00:27:59,430 --> 00:27:56,770 witness live on my phone on the part of 675 00:28:01,650 --> 00:27:59,440 the part of the pitch trio of discussing 676 00:28:03,690 --> 00:28:01,660 real-time the investigation and how we 677 00:28:05,690 --> 00:28:03,700 have to you know we need to go up and 678 00:28:09,330 --> 00:28:05,700 then it actually took Rick up there and 679 00:28:11,580 --> 00:28:09,340 then and recommend them and talk to you 680 00:28:16,590 --> 00:28:11,590 know people then you know cells so 681 00:28:19,020 --> 00:28:16,600 basically that was combined with western 682 00:28:20,730 --> 00:28:19,030 Colorado and also combined with Trinidad 683 00:28:25,610 --> 00:28:20,740 where they've been animal mutilations 684 00:28:28,230 --> 00:28:25,620 and strange lights and this is by 14 in 685 00:28:29,730 --> 00:28:28,240 you know Basel and some other things but 686 00:28:31,580 --> 00:28:29,740 this is one of the things that really 687 00:28:34,770 --> 00:28:31,590 hold Yeley to me because these are 688 00:28:36,390 --> 00:28:34,780 strange animal deaths 24 hours before 689 00:28:37,860 --> 00:28:36,400 you see is an you know this animal has 690 00:28:39,990 --> 00:28:37,870 been alive you know 691 00:28:42,630 --> 00:28:40,000 no problems at all and then the next day 692 00:28:44,730 --> 00:28:42,640 it's dead and there's no blood and 693 00:28:46,080 --> 00:28:44,740 there's cut marks and the grantors just 694 00:28:48,600 --> 00:28:46,090 doesn't know what the heck's going on 695 00:28:49,860 --> 00:28:48,610 some ranchers are scared some ranchers 696 00:28:51,330 --> 00:28:49,870 don't even want to talk to you because 697 00:28:53,220 --> 00:28:51,340 they don't know what's going on and in 698 00:28:55,860 --> 00:28:53,230 some ranchers in the case that we 699 00:28:56,920 --> 00:28:55,870 brought on alien highway are looking for 700 00:28:59,350 --> 00:28:56,930 the truth and want to get the 701 00:29:01,090 --> 00:28:59,360 information out there to help other 702 00:29:03,250 --> 00:29:01,100 answers to and other people and 703 00:29:05,590 --> 00:29:03,260 circumstances that see these things so 704 00:29:07,240 --> 00:29:05,600 it was a to me it was a it was kind of a 705 00:29:09,670 --> 00:29:07,250 a pretty cool episode but it you know 706 00:29:12,010 --> 00:29:09,680 you hit home pretty hard yeah and I 707 00:29:15,040 --> 00:29:12,020 think what's important to for people to 708 00:29:17,680 --> 00:29:15,050 remember is for a lot of these ranchers 709 00:29:19,810 --> 00:29:17,690 these animals are their livelihood so if 710 00:29:22,660 --> 00:29:19,820 these things are mysteriously dying at 711 00:29:24,790 --> 00:29:22,670 an alarming rate um how are they going 712 00:29:26,530 --> 00:29:24,800 to make money so I think it's really 713 00:29:29,500 --> 00:29:26,540 important and it's kind of an untapped 714 00:29:32,620 --> 00:29:29,510 part of ufology that I don't think gets 715 00:29:36,400 --> 00:29:32,630 noticed that often so I was happy to see 716 00:29:38,320 --> 00:29:36,410 in a quote-unquote UFO show that you 717 00:29:39,730 --> 00:29:38,330 guys went there so yeah Heather what 718 00:29:42,220 --> 00:29:39,740 what's that got to you about this 719 00:29:44,860 --> 00:29:42,230 episode um well this was definitely one 720 00:29:46,540 --> 00:29:44,870 of my favorite episodes and what stuck 721 00:29:49,030 --> 00:29:46,550 out to me was like you could really feel 722 00:29:50,020 --> 00:29:49,040 the frustration from all the ranchers 723 00:29:51,880 --> 00:29:50,030 that we interviewed and all the 724 00:29:53,500 --> 00:29:51,890 witnesses and we had some pretty great 725 00:29:55,360 --> 00:29:53,510 stories and you know they all were 726 00:29:58,660 --> 00:29:55,370 centered around this purgatory River in 727 00:30:01,170 --> 00:29:58,670 this area of Colorado so I don't know I 728 00:30:03,790 --> 00:30:01,180 just it's amazing - like how do you not 729 00:30:06,640 --> 00:30:03,800 know what happens to your animals like 730 00:30:09,130 --> 00:30:06,650 the situation's were so bizarre like 731 00:30:11,680 --> 00:30:09,140 where does nine gallons of blood from a 732 00:30:13,270 --> 00:30:11,690 horse just disappear - and and when 733 00:30:14,920 --> 00:30:13,280 there's no signs of struggle with any of 734 00:30:16,930 --> 00:30:14,930 the animals like what what's really 735 00:30:18,190 --> 00:30:16,940 going on and and the fact that they 736 00:30:20,170 --> 00:30:18,200 couldn't get answers from any of the 737 00:30:22,480 --> 00:30:20,180 vets or you know the cops don't know 738 00:30:24,010 --> 00:30:22,490 what to do it's it's it's it's just so 739 00:30:26,320 --> 00:30:24,020 bizarre and it's still something that I 740 00:30:29,770 --> 00:30:26,330 think there's still a lot of research 741 00:30:31,450 --> 00:30:29,780 that needs to go into it right right I 742 00:30:33,400 --> 00:30:31,460 would have to agree yeah this was um 743 00:30:35,500 --> 00:30:33,410 this was it's a hard one it's 744 00:30:37,380 --> 00:30:35,510 controversial especially when you see 745 00:30:40,810 --> 00:30:37,390 the way that these animals were 746 00:30:43,300 --> 00:30:40,820 mutilated I mean the precision you know 747 00:30:45,850 --> 00:30:43,310 of the the cut marks the way that they 748 00:30:48,550 --> 00:30:45,860 were just just everything about it 749 00:30:51,280 --> 00:30:48,560 screams unnatural like this wasn't just 750 00:30:53,230 --> 00:30:51,290 a predator who attacked another animal 751 00:30:56,380 --> 00:30:53,240 so I mean Chuck in terms of evidence 752 00:30:58,780 --> 00:30:56,390 like the animal itself did anything 753 00:31:00,400 --> 00:30:58,790 really stick out to you as we're dealing 754 00:31:03,640 --> 00:31:00,410 with something truly anomalous here at 755 00:31:05,890 --> 00:31:03,650 least in this episode well yeah the 756 00:31:07,930 --> 00:31:05,900 problem with animal mutilations for TV 757 00:31:10,760 --> 00:31:07,940 shows is you know you would have to 758 00:31:13,430 --> 00:31:10,770 address those issues as after 759 00:31:16,310 --> 00:31:13,440 because they would already occur we were 760 00:31:18,440 --> 00:31:16,320 really lucky with with this case where 761 00:31:20,810 --> 00:31:18,450 you know we had a couple cases out of 762 00:31:23,480 --> 00:31:20,820 you know that I did that were within a 763 00:31:26,030 --> 00:31:23,490 you know a month or so and there's still 764 00:31:28,520 --> 00:31:26,040 activity there so that's unheard of to 765 00:31:31,190 --> 00:31:28,530 do a TV show and be on top of a animal 766 00:31:33,440 --> 00:31:31,200 mutilation investigation that close it's 767 00:31:35,299 --> 00:31:33,450 usually a year later or something but 768 00:31:39,980 --> 00:31:35,309 whatever found on your nest is some of 769 00:31:41,450 --> 00:31:39,990 the animals are actually lying on a like 770 00:31:44,299 --> 00:31:41,460 a crop circle but it's not a crop circle 771 00:31:46,490 --> 00:31:44,309 it's just it's like 16 to 22 feet in 772 00:31:48,410 --> 00:31:46,500 diameter it's kind of resembles the same 773 00:31:50,240 --> 00:31:48,420 thing that we saw in Missouri that we 774 00:31:52,130 --> 00:31:50,250 had issues with EMF and the drill and 775 00:31:53,750 --> 00:31:52,140 the cameras and stuff and these animals 776 00:31:56,180 --> 00:31:53,760 are in the middle of it and so I've 777 00:31:58,250 --> 00:31:56,190 taken samples from inside the circle and 778 00:32:01,850 --> 00:31:58,260 outside the circle and I send them to a 779 00:32:04,940 --> 00:32:01,860 soil analysis company that does analysis 780 00:32:07,340 --> 00:32:04,950 for cheese for for all four corner 781 00:32:09,230 --> 00:32:07,350 States so you know they're they're 782 00:32:12,440 --> 00:32:09,240 really professional and I basically say 783 00:32:14,419 --> 00:32:12,450 okay all I want is you know it's just 784 00:32:16,549 --> 00:32:14,429 this sample distal compare them and see 785 00:32:19,490 --> 00:32:16,559 the difference and it turns out that the 786 00:32:22,400 --> 00:32:19,500 soil inside a circle Vacations is CEC's 787 00:32:24,500 --> 00:32:22,410 the soil is less soluble the CEC's have 788 00:32:27,799 --> 00:32:24,510 changed the soil nutrients actually have 789 00:32:29,600 --> 00:32:27,809 changed they're different than the other 790 00:32:32,120 --> 00:32:29,610 than the other soil samples the test 791 00:32:34,400 --> 00:32:32,130 samples now this happened with the least 792 00:32:35,419 --> 00:32:34,410 three cases here I say three because I 793 00:32:38,020 --> 00:32:35,429 can't remember I you know three or four 794 00:32:41,060 --> 00:32:38,030 cases but on every case in Colorado 795 00:32:43,610 --> 00:32:41,070 there was a saint and then I did a case 796 00:32:46,760 --> 00:32:43,620 in Kansas City Missouri and we tested 797 00:32:48,740 --> 00:32:46,770 soil the same and then in Georgia the 798 00:32:49,940 --> 00:32:48,750 same results even though the Georgia 799 00:32:52,190 --> 00:32:49,950 soil is different 800 00:32:54,440 --> 00:32:52,200 the Missouri soil Missouri's soil is 801 00:32:56,320 --> 00:32:54,450 different than Colorado Missouri's more 802 00:32:58,850 --> 00:32:56,330 clay and I don't know about Georgia but 803 00:33:00,320 --> 00:32:58,860 basically even though soils were 804 00:33:03,500 --> 00:33:00,330 differently came with the same analysis 805 00:33:06,049 --> 00:33:03,510 that now the bottom line is is this when 806 00:33:08,450 --> 00:33:06,059 the animal is found it's like it hits 807 00:33:12,350 --> 00:33:08,460 the ground and there's like there's like 808 00:33:13,820 --> 00:33:12,360 a almost like a crater and sometimes the 809 00:33:15,169 --> 00:33:13,830 animals hit so hard that the boat 810 00:33:17,150 --> 00:33:15,179 actually detached 811 00:33:19,070 --> 00:33:17,160 inside the body you know father the 812 00:33:21,680 --> 00:33:19,080 ribcage from from the backbone and stuff 813 00:33:22,840 --> 00:33:21,690 and yeah like these bones break that 814 00:33:24,490 --> 00:33:22,850 doesn't happen if an atom 815 00:33:27,090 --> 00:33:24,500 just falls over happens if it's dropped 816 00:33:28,930 --> 00:33:27,100 but then I learned after doing a lot of 817 00:33:31,660 --> 00:33:28,940 investigations and then also law 818 00:33:34,630 --> 00:33:31,670 enforcement you know being being law 819 00:33:37,720 --> 00:33:34,640 enforcement here in Colorado watching 820 00:33:40,450 --> 00:33:37,730 you know clips and stuff of just 821 00:33:42,160 --> 00:33:40,460 training clips that that you know if you 822 00:33:44,980 --> 00:33:42,170 have a suicide jumper and they hit the 823 00:33:46,330 --> 00:33:44,990 ground it bounced and Daniel could tell 824 00:33:48,490 --> 00:33:46,340 you you know honey not that he's worked 825 00:33:51,460 --> 00:33:48,500 on it but you know that's that's a case 826 00:33:53,610 --> 00:33:51,470 and none of these animals ever showed 827 00:33:56,650 --> 00:33:53,620 signs of bouncing there was just 828 00:33:58,270 --> 00:33:56,660 physically place a place so hard that 829 00:34:00,790 --> 00:33:58,280 sometimes they leave a crater sometimes 830 00:34:03,610 --> 00:34:00,800 in no sweetie let's see evidence that we 831 00:34:06,520 --> 00:34:03,620 see that's something energy-wise 832 00:34:07,120 --> 00:34:06,530 in my opinion that causes this round 833 00:34:09,610 --> 00:34:07,130 ring 834 00:34:11,200 --> 00:34:09,620 it's what place the animal there and 835 00:34:12,970 --> 00:34:11,210 then you have all the different cuts in 836 00:34:15,160 --> 00:34:12,980 them but every case is always a void of 837 00:34:17,230 --> 00:34:15,170 blood and then the ranchers also see 838 00:34:20,980 --> 00:34:17,240 balls of lights and I'll let Heather 839 00:34:22,180 --> 00:34:20,990 chime in on the balls of light sure yeah 840 00:34:24,640 --> 00:34:22,190 if you would at my detection on them 841 00:34:27,580 --> 00:34:24,650 yeah the compelling evidence from this 842 00:34:30,460 --> 00:34:27,590 episode was when we were behind Tom 843 00:34:32,050 --> 00:34:30,470 Walker's ranch near the Continental 844 00:34:35,500 --> 00:34:32,060 Divide it was where he would see all 845 00:34:37,870 --> 00:34:35,510 these lights and Chuck and I captured a 846 00:34:39,940 --> 00:34:37,880 it was like a little red ball of light 847 00:34:41,500 --> 00:34:39,950 that would move and then it would 848 00:34:45,010 --> 00:34:41,510 disappear and then it would come back 849 00:34:47,080 --> 00:34:45,020 and then just disappear and I have no 850 00:34:49,120 --> 00:34:47,090 idea what that was but I'd say that was 851 00:34:51,010 --> 00:34:49,130 the most some of the most besides the 852 00:34:52,180 --> 00:34:51,020 rancher stories of the animal 853 00:34:53,590 --> 00:34:52,190 mutilations that was kind of the most 854 00:34:56,200 --> 00:34:53,600 compelling evidence so we actually saw 855 00:34:58,120 --> 00:34:56,210 in Cohen camera yeah yeah it's it's 856 00:35:01,120 --> 00:34:58,130 really interesting when you can connect 857 00:35:02,340 --> 00:35:01,130 aerial phenomena with you know a string 858 00:35:04,600 --> 00:35:02,350 or pattern of these mutilations 859 00:35:06,910 --> 00:35:04,610 happening you have to wonder like is 860 00:35:08,440 --> 00:35:06,920 there an actual connection or not it was 861 00:35:10,600 --> 00:35:08,450 a really interesting episode yeah Chuck 862 00:35:12,520 --> 00:35:10,610 it was cool having Heather there because 863 00:35:13,900 --> 00:35:12,530 Heather being you know a ghost 864 00:35:17,890 --> 00:35:13,910 investigator 865 00:35:19,680 --> 00:35:17,900 you know she's used to experiences of no 866 00:35:24,190 --> 00:35:19,690 balls of light but they're more of orbs 867 00:35:26,380 --> 00:35:24,200 yeah right and then in ufology you don't 868 00:35:28,530 --> 00:35:26,390 use the word orbs you use balls of light 869 00:35:31,420 --> 00:35:28,540 because the balls a lighter actually 870 00:35:34,270 --> 00:35:31,430 solid you know it's it's thick of a 871 00:35:36,310 --> 00:35:34,280 probe like we would send out you know 872 00:35:38,080 --> 00:35:36,320 you know to another planet 873 00:35:41,200 --> 00:35:38,090 that's what these things are they're 874 00:35:42,970 --> 00:35:41,210 they're solid and then and and whatever 875 00:35:45,190 --> 00:35:42,980 they do and while they're doing it they 876 00:35:47,500 --> 00:35:45,200 give off a glow and what I've learned 877 00:35:49,570 --> 00:35:47,510 and I tell you this is if this was 878 00:35:50,980 --> 00:35:49,580 really crazy and again it's a crazy 879 00:35:53,710 --> 00:35:50,990 phenomenon but what I've learned about 880 00:35:56,410 --> 00:35:53,720 these balls of light and also specific 881 00:35:59,080 --> 00:35:56,420 UFOs that I know are not terrestrial 882 00:36:01,480 --> 00:35:59,090 meaning you know man-made and unless 883 00:36:03,700 --> 00:36:01,490 they're you know reverse engineering is 884 00:36:06,700 --> 00:36:03,710 it the lights they don't reflect light 885 00:36:08,530 --> 00:36:06,710 there's no reflection on the ground so 886 00:36:11,290 --> 00:36:08,540 the ball will like come up on a person 887 00:36:12,370 --> 00:36:11,300 and I've actually got pictures of this 888 00:36:16,180 --> 00:36:12,380 but I can't show it to you because 889 00:36:19,510 --> 00:36:16,190 they're minors and I don't have you know 890 00:36:22,480 --> 00:36:19,520 the parental agreements but but 891 00:36:23,740 --> 00:36:22,490 basically the ball of light wasn't you 892 00:36:25,960 --> 00:36:23,750 know and when it's in front of someone 893 00:36:27,970 --> 00:36:25,970 and it's bright bright bright it doesn't 894 00:36:30,130 --> 00:36:27,980 cast a shadow doesn't leave anything on 895 00:36:33,250 --> 00:36:30,140 the person's body same thing with UFOs 896 00:36:35,380 --> 00:36:33,260 when I interview me a cop in Missouri 897 00:36:38,200 --> 00:36:35,390 who saw into a folk the High Line 898 00:36:40,330 --> 00:36:38,210 Illinois's my thing was back 2004 bus 899 00:36:42,490 --> 00:36:40,340 these cops saw you know this large large 900 00:36:45,610 --> 00:36:42,500 craft about you know foot and a half or 901 00:36:47,470 --> 00:36:45,620 two football fields this thing was so 902 00:36:49,870 --> 00:36:47,480 bright but he could stare right into it 903 00:36:51,730 --> 00:36:49,880 and it was so bright I didn't cast a 904 00:36:54,190 --> 00:36:51,740 shadow and it didn't reflect any of the 905 00:36:56,410 --> 00:36:54,200 decals to reflect the decals on the 906 00:36:58,300 --> 00:36:56,420 squad car so it's it's just kind of 907 00:36:59,560 --> 00:36:58,310 interesting then again it's kind of 908 00:37:02,620 --> 00:36:59,570 scary because you're looking at 909 00:37:04,840 --> 00:37:02,630 something you're doing well there's a 910 00:37:07,330 --> 00:37:04,850 this doesn't jive with with anything 911 00:37:09,760 --> 00:37:07,340 that we have now current technology yeah 912 00:37:13,510 --> 00:37:09,770 what if this and and I'm looking at it 913 00:37:14,470 --> 00:37:13,520 and it's looking at me okay really good 914 00:37:18,040 --> 00:37:14,480 point 915 00:37:20,230 --> 00:37:18,050 so James asks before we move on to the 916 00:37:22,510 --> 00:37:20,240 next episode um hi Heather and truck do 917 00:37:24,220 --> 00:37:22,520 animal mutilations only a current night 918 00:37:26,170 --> 00:37:24,230 I mean have you guys ever come across 919 00:37:30,820 --> 00:37:26,180 cases where this has happened during the 920 00:37:32,530 --> 00:37:30,830 daytime um you know that's a really good 921 00:37:35,140 --> 00:37:32,540 question the thing is about that 922 00:37:37,930 --> 00:37:35,150 question is is every one of my cases are 923 00:37:41,500 --> 00:37:37,940 free-ranging animals they're not really 924 00:37:44,140 --> 00:37:41,510 near near the ranch house so the rancher 925 00:37:46,300 --> 00:37:44,150 only knows that he saw the animals a day 926 00:37:49,240 --> 00:37:46,310 before and then the next day you know he 927 00:37:50,290 --> 00:37:49,250 sees them dead there was one case that I 928 00:37:53,800 --> 00:37:50,300 talked with 929 00:37:57,450 --> 00:37:53,810 the son of the person was his dad 930 00:38:01,480 --> 00:37:57,460 actually saw a mutilation take place and 931 00:38:02,859 --> 00:38:01,490 this was in Colorado and I'm still 932 00:38:04,120 --> 00:38:02,869 trying to get a chance to talk to him 933 00:38:05,740 --> 00:38:04,130 but he's told the whole family and as 934 00:38:07,839 --> 00:38:05,750 far as a family is concerned you know 935 00:38:09,520 --> 00:38:07,849 dad doesn't like but he's afraid to talk 936 00:38:10,810 --> 00:38:09,530 about he's afraid to go on camera he's 937 00:38:12,609 --> 00:38:10,820 afraid to talk to anybody about it 938 00:38:13,599 --> 00:38:12,619 because what he experienced and that was 939 00:38:15,849 --> 00:38:13,609 during daytime 940 00:38:18,670 --> 00:38:15,859 all the other chases I really can't tell 941 00:38:21,670 --> 00:38:18,680 you because it's all after afterwards I 942 00:38:23,430 --> 00:38:21,680 show up and afterwards the you know the 943 00:38:26,200 --> 00:38:23,440 rancher sees on the next day although 944 00:38:28,329 --> 00:38:26,210 there are times where the ranchers have 945 00:38:33,099 --> 00:38:28,339 seen balls of light at night right in 946 00:38:36,730 --> 00:38:33,109 those areas where where the animals of 947 00:38:39,490 --> 00:38:36,740 them mutilated so you know I don't know 948 00:38:42,609 --> 00:38:39,500 that's a good call yeah and I mean 949 00:38:45,700 --> 00:38:42,619 welcome to ufology most of you know once 950 00:38:47,440 --> 00:38:45,710 a UFO event happens it's too late you 951 00:38:49,570 --> 00:38:47,450 know I think that's the most frustrating 952 00:38:51,520 --> 00:38:49,580 thing about being in a UFO investigator 953 00:38:54,820 --> 00:38:51,530 is once you're called to the scene it's 954 00:38:56,950 --> 00:38:54,830 usually over already um now I would say 955 00:38:59,740 --> 00:38:56,960 your guys show more than almost any 956 00:39:01,810 --> 00:38:59,750 other investigative show I've seen you 957 00:39:04,180 --> 00:39:01,820 have you caught things in the act which 958 00:39:05,589 --> 00:39:04,190 was really interesting and we will we 959 00:39:08,920 --> 00:39:05,599 will get to those episodes or that 960 00:39:11,320 --> 00:39:08,930 really amped up I do want to move to opt 961 00:39:13,870 --> 00:39:11,330 outside on YouTube said the sedona 962 00:39:16,420 --> 00:39:13,880 episode had absolutely stunning scenery 963 00:39:19,120 --> 00:39:16,430 i would have to agree and for those in 964 00:39:22,750 --> 00:39:19,130 the the UFO world a lot of people know 965 00:39:25,870 --> 00:39:22,760 about sedona this is a hotbed for ufos 966 00:39:29,230 --> 00:39:25,880 and it's just a beautiful weird strange 967 00:39:30,760 --> 00:39:29,240 place in general so um I guess Heather 968 00:39:32,620 --> 00:39:30,770 we'll start with you what was it like 969 00:39:34,570 --> 00:39:32,630 going to Arizona and going to this place 970 00:39:38,050 --> 00:39:34,580 that a lot of people really think is 971 00:39:40,270 --> 00:39:38,060 like a literal like UFO highway like a 972 00:39:41,950 --> 00:39:40,280 vortex of sorts it was pretty amazing 973 00:39:44,890 --> 00:39:41,960 you know Arizona has always been one 974 00:39:46,900 --> 00:39:44,900 place I've wanted to visit and being 975 00:39:48,910 --> 00:39:46,910 able to go there and go to the vortexes 976 00:39:50,380 --> 00:39:48,920 and just be outside looking at the stars 977 00:39:53,380 --> 00:39:50,390 and just watching the sky it was pretty 978 00:39:54,550 --> 00:39:53,390 incredible and it yeah that whole 979 00:39:56,140 --> 00:39:54,560 episode I mean we got some pretty good 980 00:39:57,430 --> 00:39:56,150 evidence on that on now and it's 981 00:39:59,050 --> 00:39:57,440 definitely a place that I would love to 982 00:40:01,089 --> 00:39:59,060 go back to mm-hmm 983 00:40:02,680 --> 00:40:01,099 yeah I mean did anything really stick 984 00:40:03,370 --> 00:40:02,690 out to you in terms of like what you saw 985 00:40:05,019 --> 00:40:03,380 there 986 00:40:08,910 --> 00:40:05,029 that personally made you feel yeah this 987 00:40:13,059 --> 00:40:08,920 is definitely a special special place um 988 00:40:16,569 --> 00:40:13,069 let me think oh yeah I mean when we were 989 00:40:18,059 --> 00:40:16,579 at Bradshaw ranch for example uh you 990 00:40:20,650 --> 00:40:18,069 know the witness we were interviewing 991 00:40:22,329 --> 00:40:20,660 right I think it was after we had heard 992 00:40:24,789 --> 00:40:22,339 the sound it sounded like someone was 993 00:40:27,099 --> 00:40:24,799 rattling like a something metal like the 994 00:40:28,900 --> 00:40:27,109 gate we heard that sound and our witness 995 00:40:31,599 --> 00:40:28,910 immediately said she saw like a shadow 996 00:40:32,950 --> 00:40:31,609 go above the trees and then you know 997 00:40:35,109 --> 00:40:32,960 shortly after that we're just looking at 998 00:40:37,150 --> 00:40:35,119 the sky and we see it looked like a 999 00:40:38,920 --> 00:40:37,160 planet you know lighting up on the - and 1000 00:40:40,269 --> 00:40:38,930 it gets really bright and all of a 1001 00:40:42,730 --> 00:40:40,279 sudden it just disappears and the car 1002 00:40:45,400 --> 00:40:42,740 whole crew saw it that's just one of the 1003 00:40:48,370 --> 00:40:45,410 things we saw how about you check 1004 00:40:50,230 --> 00:40:48,380 anything really stick out to you when it 1005 00:40:52,329 --> 00:40:50,240 came to the the city own episode oh 1006 00:40:56,289 --> 00:40:52,339 sorry I was looking for the reference 1007 00:40:58,120 --> 00:40:56,299 pictures Oh got you out there well you 1008 00:41:01,019 --> 00:40:58,130 know I've been loving these visuals by 1009 00:41:03,490 --> 00:41:01,029 the way in the background hey how's the 1010 00:41:06,220 --> 00:41:03,500 there's another one of my investigations 1011 00:41:10,180 --> 00:41:06,230 were you know I was I investigated the 1012 00:41:12,670 --> 00:41:10,190 Phoenix lights and then the not Bradshaw 1013 00:41:14,799 --> 00:41:12,680 ramps but Sedona and the vortexes there 1014 00:41:17,079 --> 00:41:14,809 but it was really exciting for me to go 1015 00:41:18,579 --> 00:41:17,089 back and actually you know go to the 1016 00:41:20,200 --> 00:41:18,589 Bradshaw ranch and see it firsthand 1017 00:41:22,150 --> 00:41:20,210 because I that was the first time I've 1018 00:41:24,819 --> 00:41:22,160 seen it and I actually captured 1019 00:41:27,220 --> 00:41:24,829 something on camera I don't know if it I 1020 00:41:29,170 --> 00:41:27,230 think I made it on the show you know 1021 00:41:31,120 --> 00:41:29,180 while we were there at night and there 1022 00:41:33,430 --> 00:41:31,130 was a ball like that popped up and and I 1023 00:41:36,160 --> 00:41:33,440 just just happened to you know catch up 1024 00:41:38,380 --> 00:41:36,170 with my camera but was really cool about 1025 00:41:40,210 --> 00:41:38,390 that is there's just you know I was born 1026 00:41:42,370 --> 00:41:40,220 in Arizona I was born Safford Arizona so 1027 00:41:44,680 --> 00:41:42,380 it was cool to go back there zona and go 1028 00:41:46,839 --> 00:41:44,690 hey you know this is this is Mike my 1029 00:41:49,120 --> 00:41:46,849 home state here and and but you know 1030 00:41:51,220 --> 00:41:49,130 when I left town Arizona it was like I 1031 00:41:55,960 --> 00:41:51,230 was nine so I didn't get a chance all 1032 00:41:58,480 --> 00:41:55,970 that cool stuff but you know we covered 1033 00:42:01,180 --> 00:41:58,490 the Phoenix lights and when I was living 1034 00:42:02,769 --> 00:42:01,190 living in California at the time I was 1035 00:42:04,630 --> 00:42:02,779 investigating Phoenix lights when I 1036 00:42:08,640 --> 00:42:04,640 tracked the Phoenix lights right 1037 00:42:10,900 --> 00:42:08,650 witnesses from from there Arizona 1038 00:42:14,859 --> 00:42:10,910 actually I think I'm sorry was Nevada 1039 00:42:16,029 --> 00:42:14,869 California into Arizona yeah and yeah 1040 00:42:17,150 --> 00:42:16,039 you know when they actually saw him in 1041 00:42:19,190 --> 00:42:17,160 Arizona 1042 00:42:21,470 --> 00:42:19,200 and so it's kind of cool to go back and 1043 00:42:24,140 --> 00:42:21,480 talk to you know not only eyewitnesses 1044 00:42:26,660 --> 00:42:24,150 but pilots and actually we got to talk 1045 00:42:29,150 --> 00:42:26,670 to a pretty cool pilot that that that 1046 00:42:31,460 --> 00:42:29,160 saw very recent 1047 00:42:35,779 --> 00:42:31,470 you know UFO ah he was you know an 1048 00:42:38,539 --> 00:42:35,789 altitude and was even more cool was one 1049 00:42:41,660 --> 00:42:38,549 of my Harley riding friends out here in 1050 00:42:44,660 --> 00:42:41,670 Colorado they happened to be in Arizona 1051 00:42:46,730 --> 00:42:44,670 at the time on vacation and and they 1052 00:42:48,140 --> 00:42:46,740 were traveling just on a freeway and 1053 00:42:49,370 --> 00:42:48,150 they saw everybody pulled to free when 1054 00:42:51,950 --> 00:42:49,380 you're all staring up so they pulled 1055 00:42:53,839 --> 00:42:51,960 over and they looked up and here we had 1056 00:42:56,000 --> 00:42:53,849 a pilot that saw this thing above his 1057 00:42:58,730 --> 00:42:56,010 airplane and now I have my friends who 1058 00:43:00,920 --> 00:42:58,740 saw just like coincidence from the 1059 00:43:02,539 --> 00:43:00,930 ground and they could see it so we had 1060 00:43:04,279 --> 00:43:02,549 you know two different aspects of and 1061 00:43:07,460 --> 00:43:04,289 this just happened just a year before so 1062 00:43:10,039 --> 00:43:07,470 but it was it was really cool to to 1063 00:43:12,849 --> 00:43:10,049 share that that has fairly recent 1064 00:43:17,450 --> 00:43:12,859 evidence especially with a commercial 1065 00:43:19,609 --> 00:43:17,460 airline pilot right now um when it comes 1066 00:43:21,920 --> 00:43:19,619 to vortexes I love to get both your 1067 00:43:24,349 --> 00:43:21,930 personal thoughts on this do you really 1068 00:43:28,010 --> 00:43:24,359 think there are geographical places in 1069 00:43:30,890 --> 00:43:28,020 the world where these phenomena or these 1070 00:43:32,539 --> 00:43:30,900 aerial anomalies can jump in and out of 1071 00:43:35,359 --> 00:43:32,549 I mean we've heard so many things like 1072 00:43:37,010 --> 00:43:35,369 the ley lines or you know the seven 1073 00:43:41,000 --> 00:43:37,020 wonders of the world being these places 1074 00:43:42,799 --> 00:43:41,010 were like stuff can hop in and out um do 1075 00:43:44,900 --> 00:43:42,809 you think there's any scientific basis 1076 00:43:46,579 --> 00:43:44,910 behind any of this what you ever want to 1077 00:43:48,799 --> 00:43:46,589 be you'd like to take a feather go first 1078 00:43:52,670 --> 00:43:48,809 sure I mean I think it's a pretty 1079 00:43:54,650 --> 00:43:52,680 plausible theory I don't really you know 1080 00:43:57,950 --> 00:43:54,660 haven't very much of a scientific 1081 00:44:00,740 --> 00:43:57,960 background to like validate it but it 1082 00:44:03,470 --> 00:44:00,750 makes sense that you know an area with 1083 00:44:05,720 --> 00:44:03,480 such an amount of energy can get 1084 00:44:06,980 --> 00:44:05,730 magnified and can attract disturbances 1085 00:44:10,220 --> 00:44:06,990 like this I think it's definitely 1086 00:44:11,920 --> 00:44:10,230 possible but I like exploring those and 1087 00:44:14,569 --> 00:44:11,930 asking those questions about you know 1088 00:44:16,880 --> 00:44:14,579 does it create a thinner veil you know 1089 00:44:18,680 --> 00:44:16,890 do the Red Rocks have something to do 1090 00:44:19,970 --> 00:44:18,690 with the things that are happening in 1091 00:44:22,910 --> 00:44:19,980 Arizona I think there's a lot of things 1092 00:44:24,680 --> 00:44:22,920 that kind of go into play that mix with 1093 00:44:28,190 --> 00:44:24,690 the vortexes that maybe creates this 1094 00:44:30,710 --> 00:44:28,200 energy yeah I think you know a lot of 1095 00:44:33,050 --> 00:44:30,720 people think that they're certain area 1096 00:44:35,870 --> 00:44:33,060 there are certain elements in the earth 1097 00:44:38,780 --> 00:44:35,880 I guess as it were that let's say there 1098 00:44:40,370 --> 00:44:38,790 is a intelligence behind the UFOs that 1099 00:44:43,490 --> 00:44:40,380 they're trying to tap into those 1100 00:44:45,980 --> 00:44:43,500 resources so that's why we see them in 1101 00:44:48,109 --> 00:44:45,990 these really mountainous areas or why we 1102 00:44:49,790 --> 00:44:48,119 see them in bodies of water like maybe 1103 00:44:51,470 --> 00:44:49,800 maybe this is something they need I 1104 00:44:52,910 --> 00:44:51,480 don't know I'm just spitballing but um 1105 00:44:56,570 --> 00:44:52,920 Chuck what do you think what do you make 1106 00:44:57,980 --> 00:44:56,580 of vortexes in general but you know it's 1107 00:44:59,359 --> 00:44:57,990 kind of interesting because I've always 1108 00:45:04,580 --> 00:44:59,369 you know I had a fascination with 1109 00:45:07,520 --> 00:45:04,590 vortexes for a long time and did I go to 1110 00:45:09,460 --> 00:45:07,530 Sedona a few times yeah you know it's 1111 00:45:13,010 --> 00:45:09,470 it's an energy that you can't measure 1112 00:45:14,690 --> 00:45:13,020 that you physically can't see you can't 1113 00:45:16,790 --> 00:45:14,700 measure with any type of instruments yes 1114 00:45:18,920 --> 00:45:16,800 yeah you can feel it which is kind of 1115 00:45:20,930 --> 00:45:18,930 really bizarre yeah you know how that 1116 00:45:23,660 --> 00:45:20,940 works yeah look there's you know as a 1117 00:45:26,210 --> 00:45:23,670 UFO investigator I get people all the 1118 00:45:31,130 --> 00:45:26,220 time to talk about you know you know for 1119 00:45:33,320 --> 00:45:31,140 Texas or some type of energy columns or 1120 00:45:35,240 --> 00:45:33,330 you know stuff that's happening and from 1121 00:45:37,880 --> 00:45:35,250 a scientific point of view it you know 1122 00:45:40,339 --> 00:45:37,890 kind of makes sense some cases when you 1123 00:45:42,650 --> 00:45:40,349 look at even if you look at multi 1124 00:45:43,940 --> 00:45:42,660 dimensional universes and stuff you know 1125 00:45:46,880 --> 00:45:43,950 we're still trying to figure out 1126 00:45:48,800 --> 00:45:46,890 wormholes and black holes and yeah and 1127 00:45:51,980 --> 00:45:48,810 offer all we know the energy from a 1128 00:45:54,410 --> 00:45:51,990 wormhole or black hole or many wormholes 1129 00:45:55,970 --> 00:45:54,420 or something could extend out as a cone 1130 00:45:59,170 --> 00:45:55,980 and some interesting things can happen 1131 00:46:01,760 --> 00:45:59,180 like with a Bradshaw ranch you know the 1132 00:46:02,480 --> 00:46:01,770 the I think it was the wife's owner I 1133 00:46:07,460 --> 00:46:02,490 forget her name 1134 00:46:10,400 --> 00:46:07,470 of course Katherine she actually you 1135 00:46:11,900 --> 00:46:10,410 know besides seeing um you know 1136 00:46:14,960 --> 00:46:11,910 creatures and UFOs and stuff the 1137 00:46:16,640 --> 00:46:14,970 dinosaur popped up and not only did that 1138 00:46:19,370 --> 00:46:16,650 happen - our ranch but there was another 1139 00:46:22,280 --> 00:46:19,380 case that was investigating near Sedona 1140 00:46:24,829 --> 00:46:22,290 that had happened also were a little boy 1141 00:46:26,359 --> 00:46:24,839 you know he was just looking and you 1142 00:46:27,740 --> 00:46:26,369 know just they were just out on vacation 1143 00:46:31,370 --> 00:46:27,750 and all of a sudden you saw just this 1144 00:46:32,450 --> 00:46:31,380 whole just like playing of dinosaurs and 1145 00:46:34,550 --> 00:46:32,460 stuff there's almost like he was 1146 00:46:37,099 --> 00:46:34,560 watching TV it was only for a few 1147 00:46:40,910 --> 00:46:37,109 seconds and it was gone so that's 1148 00:46:43,940 --> 00:46:40,920 happened to me in Colorado at the base 1149 00:46:44,630 --> 00:46:43,950 of very cliffs willing I'd have you know 1150 00:46:46,880 --> 00:46:44,640 and that was 1151 00:46:48,950 --> 00:46:46,890 with my brother-in-law yeah I thought I 1152 00:46:51,559 --> 00:46:48,960 was just daydreaming but we're in a 1153 00:46:54,200 --> 00:46:51,569 really sacred area at the Mesa Verde 1154 00:46:56,569 --> 00:46:54,210 cliffs look we were you know 1155 00:46:57,980 --> 00:46:56,579 Milland where were they had they were 1156 00:47:00,140 --> 00:46:57,990 underground and they came above ground 1157 00:47:02,509 --> 00:47:00,150 before they went to the cliffs and for a 1158 00:47:03,710 --> 00:47:02,519 split second I just talked about to some 1159 00:47:05,750 --> 00:47:03,720 of the podcast that's why it's kind of 1160 00:47:09,079 --> 00:47:05,760 remembering that first let's second I 1161 00:47:10,190 --> 00:47:09,089 saw the whole village I'm going I just 1162 00:47:11,660 --> 00:47:10,200 you know I'm looking at going wow that's 1163 00:47:13,730 --> 00:47:11,670 pretty cool but then I thought is 1164 00:47:15,170 --> 00:47:13,740 naturing hey my brother my Linh was 1165 00:47:16,640 --> 00:47:15,180 there and I walked up and I looked up my 1166 00:47:17,839 --> 00:47:16,650 brother my Linh and he had this kind of 1167 00:47:20,000 --> 00:47:17,849 shocked look on his face 1168 00:47:25,549 --> 00:47:20,010 well what's going on he goes yeah and I 1169 00:47:28,039 --> 00:47:25,559 just saw a village wait whoa that's 1170 00:47:30,250 --> 00:47:28,049 really interesting like you do have to 1171 00:47:33,670 --> 00:47:30,260 wonder and you know are these snippets 1172 00:47:37,190 --> 00:47:33,680 in time that are just getting you know 1173 00:47:38,870 --> 00:47:37,200 mixed up a lot of people think I don't 1174 00:47:41,150 --> 00:47:38,880 know Heather in the paranormal world 1175 00:47:43,579 --> 00:47:41,160 like when we see a ghost it's not so 1176 00:47:46,309 --> 00:47:43,589 much like a disembodied spirit it's 1177 00:47:49,099 --> 00:47:46,319 literally we're seeing a moment in time 1178 00:47:51,319 --> 00:47:49,109 played out not in the temporal time as 1179 00:47:53,599 --> 00:47:51,329 we know it so whatever that is might be 1180 00:47:55,999 --> 00:47:53,609 just as scared and confused and 1181 00:47:57,410 --> 00:47:56,009 surprised of seeing us as we are of them 1182 00:47:59,349 --> 00:47:57,420 I don't know I don't know is there 1183 00:48:01,970 --> 00:47:59,359 anything there maybe I'm just crazy 1184 00:48:03,740 --> 00:48:01,980 something that came to my mind we were 1185 00:48:04,970 --> 00:48:03,750 talking I totally forgot about this 1186 00:48:07,400 --> 00:48:04,980 because it didn't make the episode but 1187 00:48:09,829 --> 00:48:07,410 we interviewed this guy named George 1188 00:48:13,279 --> 00:48:09,839 that one summer he was having like a 1189 00:48:15,289 --> 00:48:13,289 barbecue in his backyard and they just 1190 00:48:17,210 --> 00:48:15,299 looked out and they saw this giant like 1191 00:48:18,470 --> 00:48:17,220 his backyard he had this gorgeous view 1192 00:48:20,749 --> 00:48:18,480 of these mountains and there was all 1193 00:48:23,299 --> 00:48:20,759 this land and and he saw this giant 1194 00:48:25,970 --> 00:48:23,309 craft just kind of fly by and everyone 1195 00:48:29,329 --> 00:48:25,980 was like what was that and then shortly 1196 00:48:30,890 --> 00:48:29,339 after a couple jets come by as if 1197 00:48:31,430 --> 00:48:30,900 they're you know tracking this object 1198 00:48:32,390 --> 00:48:31,440 nada 1199 00:48:33,200 --> 00:48:32,400 I don't know why that didn't make the 1200 00:48:35,240 --> 00:48:33,210 episode I thought it was a really 1201 00:48:37,789 --> 00:48:35,250 intriguing story do you remember that 1202 00:48:41,539 --> 00:48:37,799 Chuck yeah I do remember that that was 1203 00:48:44,329 --> 00:48:41,549 um that's kind of weird because I kind 1204 00:48:46,789 --> 00:48:44,339 of reminded me of of well we'll talk 1205 00:48:49,549 --> 00:48:46,799 about Tonopah later but you know that 1206 00:48:53,029 --> 00:48:49,559 that happens there area 51 to where 1207 00:48:54,710 --> 00:48:53,039 there's a lot of people see they'll see 1208 00:48:56,930 --> 00:48:54,720 a craft or something you know blink on 1209 00:48:58,370 --> 00:48:56,940 or blink off or though our little sea 1210 00:49:01,070 --> 00:48:58,380 chase chests and 1211 00:49:02,120 --> 00:49:01,080 um I had a had a case over here in 1212 00:49:04,130 --> 00:49:02,130 Colorado 1213 00:49:05,870 --> 00:49:04,140 just before Christmas time quirk 1214 00:49:07,550 --> 00:49:05,880 somebody had saw something up in 1215 00:49:09,230 --> 00:49:07,560 northern Colorado and then they said 1216 00:49:10,610 --> 00:49:09,240 that it was awful fast and then all the 1217 00:49:14,780 --> 00:49:10,620 signed a couple jacks that was all 1218 00:49:16,820 --> 00:49:14,790 during the that big drone you know over 1219 00:49:19,280 --> 00:49:16,830 by Fort Collins and stuff and over into 1220 00:49:20,990 --> 00:49:19,290 Wyoming were all these all these drones 1221 00:49:23,060 --> 00:49:21,000 and we still know who those drones 1222 00:49:26,420 --> 00:49:23,070 belong to I'm pretty sure it was our 1223 00:49:29,390 --> 00:49:26,430 military kind of messing around but it's 1224 00:49:33,080 --> 00:49:29,400 it's really interesting stuff when when 1225 00:49:36,020 --> 00:49:33,090 you talk to someone and yeah and they it 1226 00:49:37,880 --> 00:49:36,030 makes they're trying to explain what 1227 00:49:39,440 --> 00:49:37,890 they've seen and they're and in their 1228 00:49:42,170 --> 00:49:39,450 mind if I go I hope this guy doesn't 1229 00:49:46,400 --> 00:49:42,180 think I'm crazy right boy he feels like 1230 00:49:48,410 --> 00:49:46,410 man I've heard this like million right 1231 00:49:51,110 --> 00:49:48,420 it's kind of fun watching the expression 1232 00:49:55,910 --> 00:49:51,120 on face like I was a train I'm not crazy 1233 00:49:58,100 --> 00:49:55,920 I wasn't on drugs you know nothing 1234 00:49:59,780 --> 00:49:58,110 shocked Chuck anymore trust me guys you 1235 00:50:02,540 --> 00:49:59,790 can come come to them with the weirdest 1236 00:50:04,160 --> 00:50:02,550 stuff you want to um all right so I want 1237 00:50:06,770 --> 00:50:04,170 to move to California with you guys if 1238 00:50:09,470 --> 00:50:06,780 that's cool we're getting to my personal 1239 00:50:13,820 --> 00:50:09,480 favorite episodes of the show so far 1240 00:50:16,040 --> 00:50:13,830 SoCal clusters now all of our audience 1241 00:50:18,860 --> 00:50:16,050 is going to be very familiar this 1242 00:50:21,470 --> 00:50:18,870 episode was very timely and it ties into 1243 00:50:24,670 --> 00:50:21,480 a lot of what's going on within the last 1244 00:50:27,380 --> 00:50:24,680 few days of the Defense Department 1245 00:50:29,600 --> 00:50:27,390 officially you know acknowledging that 1246 00:50:33,650 --> 00:50:29,610 the these UFO videos we've been seeing 1247 00:50:36,020 --> 00:50:33,660 from the Navy are authentic and they are 1248 00:50:38,600 --> 00:50:36,030 still unidentified and they are official 1249 00:50:40,250 --> 00:50:38,610 Navy videos so you know saying that they 1250 00:50:42,410 --> 00:50:40,260 were CGI it is out of the question at 1251 00:50:45,260 --> 00:50:42,420 this point saying they were conventional 1252 00:50:47,240 --> 00:50:45,270 aircraft ow you know so we we do live in 1253 00:50:49,160 --> 00:50:47,250 a really interesting time now in terms 1254 00:50:52,250 --> 00:50:49,170 of the military and UFOs and a lot of 1255 00:50:53,780 --> 00:50:52,260 this came from SoCal so I would love to 1256 00:50:55,880 --> 00:50:53,790 UM get your personal thoughts on this 1257 00:50:58,400 --> 00:50:55,890 Heather I guess we'll start with you um 1258 00:51:01,250 --> 00:50:58,410 what do you make of these Navy videos 1259 00:51:02,570 --> 00:51:01,260 and the ongoing activity going on um you 1260 00:51:05,090 --> 00:51:02,580 know off the coast of Southern 1261 00:51:08,150 --> 00:51:05,100 California I mean it's it's very 1262 00:51:10,670 --> 00:51:08,160 fascinating to me because you know 1263 00:51:12,080 --> 00:51:10,680 there's really high-level pilots that 1264 00:51:14,110 --> 00:51:12,090 have come forward 1265 00:51:16,430 --> 00:51:14,120 you know talking about this so it's like 1266 00:51:18,770 --> 00:51:16,440 they're not idiots they know what they 1267 00:51:21,290 --> 00:51:18,780 saw you know so it's it's there's just 1268 00:51:23,090 --> 00:51:21,300 so many stories you hear but the whole 1269 00:51:25,790 --> 00:51:23,100 you know our whole episode we kind of 1270 00:51:28,160 --> 00:51:25,800 tie it in like is the military watching 1271 00:51:31,010 --> 00:51:28,170 these crafts or the crafts watching a 1272 00:51:33,170 --> 00:51:31,020 military vice versa so I don't know I 1273 00:51:36,950 --> 00:51:33,180 really that was probably one of my other 1274 00:51:41,600 --> 00:51:36,960 favorite episodes too for many reasons 1275 00:51:44,030 --> 00:51:41,610 yeah well we do have a question that 1276 00:51:46,310 --> 00:51:44,040 some of the viewers really want to know 1277 00:51:53,620 --> 00:51:46,320 the biggest mystery in the SoCal episode 1278 00:51:56,390 --> 00:51:53,630 what the hell was up with your hat no 1279 00:51:58,820 --> 00:51:56,400 you know we were going out on a boat you 1280 00:52:00,230 --> 00:51:58,830 know I we had a free day in LA so me and 1281 00:52:02,390 --> 00:52:00,240 some of the production guys we went to 1282 00:52:04,130 --> 00:52:02,400 this like army surplus store and I 1283 00:52:06,440 --> 00:52:04,140 bought like five different berets and 1284 00:52:08,570 --> 00:52:06,450 all these random like bright colors and 1285 00:52:09,980 --> 00:52:08,580 then I saw the sailor hat that looked 1286 00:52:11,420 --> 00:52:09,990 like one that I had that I forgot to 1287 00:52:14,330 --> 00:52:11,430 pack so I was like I'm gonna buy this 1288 00:52:15,980 --> 00:52:14,340 lemon round the episode and I later on 1289 00:52:19,460 --> 00:52:15,990 down the road I found out that the 1290 00:52:21,620 --> 00:52:19,470 Travel Channel hated that so I got in 1291 00:52:22,910 --> 00:52:21,630 trouble for that but I mean it was 1292 00:52:24,230 --> 00:52:22,920 fitting for the episode and it looks 1293 00:52:29,870 --> 00:52:24,240 cool you know I look like I was right 1294 00:52:32,030 --> 00:52:29,880 off of Sunset Strip like Gilligan sorry 1295 00:52:33,980 --> 00:52:32,040 we were filming a scene on that boat I 1296 00:52:36,080 --> 00:52:33,990 mean it was it was so Indian we were 1297 00:52:38,540 --> 00:52:36,090 standing on the top deck of the boat and 1298 00:52:40,520 --> 00:52:38,550 I mean the cameras are right on us and 1299 00:52:42,350 --> 00:52:40,530 all of a sudden a gust of wind just 1300 00:52:44,630 --> 00:52:42,360 blows the hat off and the camera pans 1301 00:52:46,340 --> 00:52:44,640 over and gets a shot of it just like 1302 00:52:51,080 --> 00:52:46,350 floating in the ocean and I'm just like 1303 00:52:53,120 --> 00:52:51,090 my head the tragedy had story I loved it 1304 00:52:54,740 --> 00:52:53,130 Chuck how about you men I mean you guys 1305 00:52:57,050 --> 00:52:54,750 came across some really interesting 1306 00:52:59,450 --> 00:52:57,060 stuff in this episode it's clear that 1307 00:53:02,330 --> 00:52:59,460 you know the tick-tack event was not the 1308 00:53:04,250 --> 00:53:02,340 only UFO event that happened instead so 1309 00:53:06,350 --> 00:53:04,260 what do you make of this one man well 1310 00:53:09,590 --> 00:53:06,360 one thing I'll just show was that's got 1311 00:53:14,420 --> 00:53:09,600 probably hard to see but here's Daniel 1312 00:53:17,900 --> 00:53:14,430 he actually had to go through training 1313 00:53:19,370 --> 00:53:17,910 to be able to use that full mask you 1314 00:53:23,000 --> 00:53:19,380 know that I was able to talk to him 1315 00:53:24,650 --> 00:53:23,010 while he was underwater and so it was 1316 00:53:26,000 --> 00:53:24,660 the training was supposed to be done a 1317 00:53:27,740 --> 00:53:26,010 couple days before 1318 00:53:30,830 --> 00:53:27,750 because of weather or some other things 1319 00:53:34,100 --> 00:53:30,840 you know they happen that day basically 1320 00:53:35,770 --> 00:53:34,110 and uh early early in the morning so he 1321 00:53:38,870 --> 00:53:35,780 was a real trooper to jump in that water 1322 00:53:42,500 --> 00:53:38,880 you know would just just you know 1323 00:53:43,880 --> 00:53:42,510 recently you know you know with that 1324 00:53:47,090 --> 00:53:43,890 training but what I really liked about 1325 00:53:49,370 --> 00:53:47,100 that episode is first off you know when 1326 00:53:51,410 --> 00:53:49,380 I lived in California I've always known 1327 00:53:55,610 --> 00:53:51,420 and heard about the probability that 1328 00:53:58,370 --> 00:53:55,620 there's this underwater opening over my 1329 00:54:01,670 --> 00:53:58,380 Malibu and there's been a lot of UFOs 1330 00:54:04,310 --> 00:54:01,680 seeing coming and and you know you know 1331 00:54:06,380 --> 00:54:04,320 solos and stuff coming out of the water 1332 00:54:08,870 --> 00:54:06,390 into the water and all along the coast 1333 00:54:10,940 --> 00:54:08,880 and even when I was contracting in San 1334 00:54:13,850 --> 00:54:10,950 Diego a few years ago there was a 1335 00:54:15,710 --> 00:54:13,860 sighting there off of San Diego so the 1336 00:54:17,990 --> 00:54:15,720 West Coast was pretty hot so it was 1337 00:54:20,810 --> 00:54:18,000 really cool to go back and visit that 1338 00:54:23,000 --> 00:54:20,820 and the best part I liked about is I had 1339 00:54:27,110 --> 00:54:23,010 this really cool light experiment that I 1340 00:54:29,480 --> 00:54:27,120 used for them one of the Missouri shows 1341 00:54:32,900 --> 00:54:29,490 that you know I had set up on the beach 1342 00:54:36,530 --> 00:54:32,910 and it's 16 floodlights and the 16 flood 1343 00:54:39,770 --> 00:54:36,540 lights blink binary you know so they 1344 00:54:42,410 --> 00:54:39,780 they they flashing in binary code and we 1345 00:54:43,940 --> 00:54:42,420 actually picked up something the Heather 1346 00:54:46,040 --> 00:54:43,950 and Indiana were looking at the 1347 00:54:47,870 --> 00:54:46,050 binoculars order Missouri and all those 1348 00:54:49,970 --> 00:54:47,880 lights were going off they actually saw 1349 00:54:51,320 --> 00:54:49,980 a light and at first Daniels oh no 1350 00:54:56,120 --> 00:54:51,330 that's that's that's got to be a plane 1351 00:54:57,620 --> 00:54:56,130 and then then it stopped and so I got to 1352 00:54:59,060 --> 00:54:57,630 use that experiment on the boat and I 1353 00:55:01,190 --> 00:54:59,070 kind of figured out how to do it and 1354 00:55:03,650 --> 00:55:01,200 they took the 16 lines and I put 8 on 1355 00:55:06,110 --> 00:55:03,660 one side and 8 on the other and I'm an 1356 00:55:08,990 --> 00:55:06,120 appointed them down to the water and 1357 00:55:10,520 --> 00:55:09,000 then we had lights underwater for 1358 00:55:12,290 --> 00:55:10,530 anything that was underwater that could 1359 00:55:14,300 --> 00:55:12,300 happen to be traveling or anything to 1360 00:55:17,420 --> 00:55:14,310 try and pick up the light underwater and 1361 00:55:18,830 --> 00:55:17,430 then and then it would see my lights it 1362 00:55:20,810 --> 00:55:18,840 was kind of its kind of choppy that day 1363 00:55:22,370 --> 00:55:20,820 and it was you know the weather was 1364 00:55:24,230 --> 00:55:22,380 coming in I mean the experiment worked 1365 00:55:26,600 --> 00:55:24,240 worked pretty well but the whole time 1366 00:55:29,150 --> 00:55:26,610 Daniel was underwater you know he was 1367 00:55:31,640 --> 00:55:29,160 being thrashed back and forth under the 1368 00:55:33,770 --> 00:55:31,650 boat and and further down but while he 1369 00:55:37,820 --> 00:55:33,780 was down there you know he saw something 1370 00:55:39,800 --> 00:55:37,830 he saw it like yeah and it was but was 1371 00:55:42,710 --> 00:55:39,810 was way cool 1372 00:55:44,480 --> 00:55:42,720 when we went to me did Daniel and 1373 00:55:47,870 --> 00:55:44,490 Heather or with production and we're 1374 00:55:49,820 --> 00:55:47,880 going over the the audio that the 1375 00:55:53,870 --> 00:55:49,830 cameraman underwater to picked up this 1376 00:55:56,570 --> 00:55:53,880 really cool sound and so we brought a 1377 00:55:58,130 --> 00:55:56,580 marine biologist in and you know why I 1378 00:55:59,750 --> 00:55:58,140 listened to it I thought maybe it was a 1379 00:56:02,270 --> 00:55:59,760 whale and then she can't listen to she 1380 00:56:04,310 --> 00:56:02,280 was well the kind of sounds like maybe 1381 00:56:07,910 --> 00:56:04,320 well that she listened she was now 1382 00:56:09,340 --> 00:56:07,920 that's mechanical mechanical that was 1383 00:56:12,440 --> 00:56:09,350 awesome so we picked up something 1384 00:56:14,420 --> 00:56:12,450 underwater that could have been a 1385 00:56:17,690 --> 00:56:14,430 summary could have been something else 1386 00:56:20,510 --> 00:56:17,700 but he sinks for we actually picked over 1387 00:56:23,630 --> 00:56:20,520 Elevens right and I think again this is 1388 00:56:26,120 --> 00:56:23,640 what set the show apart is you guys were 1389 00:56:28,520 --> 00:56:26,130 you were innovative in terms of your 1390 00:56:30,470 --> 00:56:28,530 your investigations using some of the 1391 00:56:32,240 --> 00:56:30,480 most high-tech stuff out there which you 1392 00:56:34,670 --> 00:56:32,250 don't see often you know you just see 1393 00:56:36,470 --> 00:56:34,680 someone shining a flashlight in the sky 1394 00:56:39,170 --> 00:56:36,480 thinking they're gonna vector in a UFO 1395 00:56:40,700 --> 00:56:39,180 but you guys actually like you went all 1396 00:56:42,800 --> 00:56:40,710 out for this in this episode that 1397 00:56:44,960 --> 00:56:42,810 particularly on in terms of the 1398 00:56:48,050 --> 00:56:44,970 underwater aspect it really reminds me 1399 00:56:51,110 --> 00:56:48,060 of the testimony of commander David 1400 00:56:52,610 --> 00:56:51,120 Freiburger who saw the Tic Tac thing I 1401 00:56:54,230 --> 00:56:52,620 mean he said when this thing dropped 1402 00:56:57,320 --> 00:56:54,240 down to the ocean 1403 00:56:59,480 --> 00:56:57,330 he saw a massive object below the water 1404 00:57:03,320 --> 00:56:59,490 you know sort of churning up the water 1405 00:57:06,080 --> 00:57:03,330 and that it was ten times as big as the 1406 00:57:08,480 --> 00:57:06,090 tic-tock itself so I mean is it possible 1407 00:57:10,460 --> 00:57:08,490 that these things in the sky are 1408 00:57:12,740 --> 00:57:10,470 actually coming from beneath the ocean 1409 00:57:14,300 --> 00:57:12,750 maybe that is something you guys came 1410 00:57:16,040 --> 00:57:14,310 across when you're there I don't know 1411 00:57:19,130 --> 00:57:16,050 well I mean you said you know the earth 1412 00:57:21,290 --> 00:57:19,140 70% of the earth is water yeah and so 1413 00:57:23,900 --> 00:57:21,300 yeah that's always been that's the other 1414 00:57:25,730 --> 00:57:23,910 thing too is is every one of the cases 1415 00:57:28,340 --> 00:57:25,740 with what animal mutilations and balls 1416 00:57:29,840 --> 00:57:28,350 of light and even UFOs not every one of 1417 00:57:31,760 --> 00:57:29,850 them but you know a vast majority at the 1418 00:57:33,770 --> 00:57:31,770 end the UFOs and balls of light are seen 1419 00:57:36,590 --> 00:57:33,780 near water so there is some type of 1420 00:57:39,680 --> 00:57:36,600 connection between water and the UFOs 1421 00:57:41,840 --> 00:57:39,690 and you know the balls of light maybe 1422 00:57:43,070 --> 00:57:41,850 it's hydrogen I you know maybe oxygen 1423 00:57:44,960 --> 00:57:43,080 cuz we got plenty of that so maybe 1424 00:57:46,310 --> 00:57:44,970 either there you know it's hydrogen or 1425 00:57:49,640 --> 00:57:46,320 selfie or maybe they're just drinking 1426 00:57:52,250 --> 00:57:49,650 out of but you know the thing is is is 1427 00:57:53,109 --> 00:57:52,260 you know a matter of fact I mean he'll 1428 00:57:55,599 --> 00:57:53,119 the Pentagon 1429 00:57:57,160 --> 00:57:55,609 just came out just recently with those 1430 00:57:59,109 --> 00:57:57,170 same videos you were talking about said 1431 00:58:05,620 --> 00:57:59,119 oh yeah by the way yeah they were real 1432 00:58:10,420 --> 00:58:05,630 Yelp news about two years late on that 1433 00:58:11,980 --> 00:58:10,430 one yeah hey I guess we can be happy 1434 00:58:14,289 --> 00:58:11,990 that they're at least officially 1435 00:58:16,150 --> 00:58:14,299 acknowledging it now but um yeah I think 1436 00:58:18,549 --> 00:58:16,160 they're backtracking a lot I think the 1437 00:58:21,430 --> 00:58:18,559 real work is being done by independent 1438 00:58:22,960 --> 00:58:21,440 investigators and researchers so um now 1439 00:58:26,759 --> 00:58:22,970 though is though is one of my favorites 1440 00:58:29,890 --> 00:58:26,769 I do want to move on to the next one no 1441 00:58:32,259 --> 00:58:29,900 storm area 51 was a big thing last year 1442 00:58:35,589 --> 00:58:32,269 everyone wanted to see those aliens at 1443 00:58:38,230 --> 00:58:35,599 the base I went out there I'm not gonna 1444 00:58:41,829 --> 00:58:38,240 lie I was out there um I mean before 1445 00:58:44,289 --> 00:58:41,839 storm area 51 I'm always early for 1446 00:58:47,319 --> 00:58:44,299 everything I was a preemie baby so um I 1447 00:58:51,809 --> 00:58:47,329 did miss the actual event but let's talk 1448 00:58:55,450 --> 00:58:51,819 about escape from area 51 no I know 1449 00:58:57,370 --> 00:58:55,460 Chuck that you had an informant who gave 1450 00:59:01,120 --> 00:58:57,380 you news that there was possibly 1451 00:59:04,479 --> 00:59:01,130 something that got out of area 51 can 1452 00:59:07,239 --> 00:59:04,489 you explain this to me man what where 1453 00:59:10,390 --> 00:59:07,249 this story might have come from and what 1454 00:59:12,609 --> 00:59:10,400 basis you had to go off of well this is 1455 00:59:14,499 --> 00:59:12,619 it's not it's not a new story to me 1456 00:59:16,870 --> 00:59:14,509 because I've known about that particular 1457 00:59:18,370 --> 00:59:16,880 story matter of fact the movie Paul if 1458 00:59:20,109 --> 00:59:18,380 anybody's familiar with the movie Paul 1459 00:59:22,479 --> 00:59:20,119 the comedy about the alien that escapes 1460 00:59:25,359 --> 00:59:22,489 from here in 51 that that's basically 1461 00:59:28,120 --> 00:59:25,369 based on that story and I've been to 1462 00:59:30,220 --> 00:59:28,130 every 15 that I haven't been to every 51 1463 00:59:33,460 --> 00:59:30,230 but I've been you know too close to the 1464 00:59:36,670 --> 00:59:33,470 West Gate and I went to lived in 1465 00:59:39,160 --> 00:59:36,680 California you know I I was one of the 1466 00:59:41,079 --> 00:59:39,170 first four people that hiked the topic 1467 00:59:42,460 --> 00:59:41,089 took a boo peek to see everything went 1468 00:59:44,710 --> 00:59:42,470 off in distance just after freedom 1469 00:59:48,099 --> 00:59:44,720 bridge was taken so I've been really 1470 00:59:50,999 --> 00:59:48,109 interesting to me and but we had heard a 1471 00:59:53,470 --> 00:59:51,009 story that that you know EBE 1472 00:59:54,670 --> 00:59:53,480 extraterrestrial biological entity you 1473 00:59:58,630 --> 00:59:54,680 know they called it that was his 1474 01:00:00,339 --> 00:59:58,640 nickname ete it had escaped or from area 1475 01:00:03,309 --> 01:00:00,349 51 but later found that there basically 1476 01:00:06,160 --> 01:00:03,319 it was someone you know people helped 1477 01:00:07,000 --> 01:00:06,170 them escape and it's a really really 1478 01:00:08,650 --> 01:00:07,010 cool story 1479 01:00:11,230 --> 01:00:08,660 didn't cover too much of the story 1480 01:00:13,180 --> 01:00:11,240 itself of people in Tonopah which is 1481 01:00:14,860 --> 01:00:13,190 just you know outside of area 51 where 1482 01:00:17,560 --> 01:00:14,870 the proving grounds is you know they're 1483 01:00:19,210 --> 01:00:17,570 still seeing creatures and stuff but and 1484 01:00:20,680 --> 01:00:19,220 we actually that's you know there was 1485 01:00:23,800 --> 01:00:20,690 someone picked up this this thing going 1486 01:00:27,010 --> 01:00:23,810 across a you know the screen on his dash 1487 01:00:28,630 --> 01:00:27,020 cam and that was in the in the show but 1488 01:00:30,400 --> 01:00:28,640 it was really cool to go back and then 1489 01:00:34,330 --> 01:00:30,410 talked with Tonopah are the people in 1490 01:00:36,640 --> 01:00:34,340 Tonopah and the story itself is this way 1491 01:00:41,080 --> 01:00:36,650 cool where where you know you you know 1492 01:00:46,180 --> 01:00:41,090 you have someone who who you know helped 1493 01:00:50,110 --> 01:00:46,190 us alien escape and then gosh I've heard 1494 01:00:52,210 --> 01:00:50,120 remember that bar telecoil liquor 1495 01:00:57,100 --> 01:00:52,220 company yeah the bar that was closed 1496 01:01:02,530 --> 01:00:57,110 that we that we never you're at anyway 1497 01:01:04,510 --> 01:01:02,540 yeah that was in Warm Springs right yeah 1498 01:01:09,280 --> 01:01:04,520 yeah there's a bar in Warm Springs yeah 1499 01:01:11,440 --> 01:01:09,290 yeah so so they they so you had support 1500 01:01:13,630 --> 01:01:11,450 the story goes that that you had come on 1501 01:01:15,070 --> 01:01:13,640 from area 51 an insider helped an alien 1502 01:01:17,890 --> 01:01:15,080 escape they are in their vehicle and 1503 01:01:21,070 --> 01:01:17,900 they drive to to this this intersection 1504 01:01:23,230 --> 01:01:21,080 and Warm Springs is right there the bars 1505 01:01:25,930 --> 01:01:23,240 right there and that that was the trade 1506 01:01:28,210 --> 01:01:25,940 offs area and then they the alien was 1507 01:01:31,180 --> 01:01:28,220 moved from one vehicle to the other and 1508 01:01:34,780 --> 01:01:31,190 then and then the other vehicles started 1509 01:01:36,430 --> 01:01:34,790 taking off in another direction but but 1510 01:01:38,020 --> 01:01:36,440 they were at the bar long enough that 1511 01:01:39,790 --> 01:01:38,030 the people at the bar actually saw the 1512 01:01:42,490 --> 01:01:39,800 alien and there was a picture of it at 1513 01:01:47,560 --> 01:01:42,500 one time a photograph of the darn thing 1514 01:01:50,200 --> 01:01:47,570 that was hanging in a bar yeah but they 1515 01:01:53,650 --> 01:01:50,210 just you know yeah so now get no news to 1516 01:01:56,530 --> 01:01:53,660 them and then the story goes it as as 1517 01:01:58,960 --> 01:01:56,540 the alien was escaping you know in the 1518 01:02:01,840 --> 01:01:58,970 new car that they were you know overcome 1519 01:02:04,120 --> 01:02:01,850 by you know MPs or special forces 1520 01:02:08,080 --> 01:02:04,130 whoever anyway whoever did and there was 1521 01:02:09,700 --> 01:02:08,090 a firefight in the alien escape and and 1522 01:02:13,150 --> 01:02:09,710 then the story goes further not as as 1523 01:02:16,270 --> 01:02:13,160 far as I got now with the informant the 1524 01:02:19,270 --> 01:02:16,280 foreman said that a rancher had seen the 1525 01:02:20,800 --> 01:02:19,280 alien took a shot at it and then the 1526 01:02:23,860 --> 01:02:20,810 alien was buried now 1527 01:02:25,870 --> 01:02:23,870 I know from a UFO and as a UFO 1528 01:02:28,240 --> 01:02:25,880 investigator that there's no way in hell 1529 01:02:31,630 --> 01:02:28,250 that that you know that he's going to 1530 01:02:33,310 --> 01:02:31,640 bury an alien and and the Army is just 1531 01:02:34,630 --> 01:02:33,320 going to let that you know be there no 1532 01:02:37,480 --> 01:02:34,640 it's not the case as far as I'm 1533 01:02:39,970 --> 01:02:37,490 concerned that if there was a firefight 1534 01:02:41,800 --> 01:02:39,980 there and the alien took off that they 1535 01:02:43,840 --> 01:02:41,810 were pursuing it just like they found 1536 01:02:45,160 --> 01:02:43,850 the debris of Roswell in 47 they pursued 1537 01:02:48,610 --> 01:02:45,170 it till they found it all they would be 1538 01:02:51,880 --> 01:02:48,620 pursuing that too so if the alien was 1539 01:02:53,890 --> 01:02:51,890 shot then military grab him but the 1540 01:02:58,410 --> 01:02:53,900 thing is is what we were looking for and 1541 01:03:01,660 --> 01:02:58,420 Daniel and Heather found it was was 1542 01:03:03,460 --> 01:03:01,670 evidence that the military was there you 1543 01:03:05,860 --> 01:03:03,470 know like maybe a quick bivouac or 1544 01:03:09,310 --> 01:03:05,870 something and that's what we found with 1545 01:03:11,650 --> 01:03:09,320 metal detectors and and some of it was 1546 01:03:14,140 --> 01:03:11,660 was was just barely hidden in the ground 1547 01:03:16,650 --> 01:03:14,150 too so we definitely knew that that the 1548 01:03:19,840 --> 01:03:16,660 coordinates that the informant gave me 1549 01:03:21,580 --> 01:03:19,850 that that was where we found evidence 1550 01:03:24,100 --> 01:03:21,590 that the military was there and the 1551 01:03:27,790 --> 01:03:24,110 evidence seemed pretty old you know that 1552 01:03:29,230 --> 01:03:27,800 they would they would date back 20 30 or 1553 01:03:32,230 --> 01:03:29,240 20 some years that you know wouldn't 1554 01:03:35,200 --> 01:03:32,240 really happened yeah this know this is 1555 01:03:37,090 --> 01:03:35,210 one of our commenters pointed this out 1556 01:03:39,130 --> 01:03:37,100 this is one of the episodes - one of a 1557 01:03:43,510 --> 01:03:39,140 few where you guys had some people 1558 01:03:46,900 --> 01:03:43,520 following you possibly know are we 1559 01:03:48,910 --> 01:03:46,910 talking men in black what was going on 1560 01:03:50,710 --> 01:03:48,920 with these unmarked cars that seem to be 1561 01:03:52,420 --> 01:03:50,720 trailing you guys on a few of these 1562 01:03:55,780 --> 01:03:52,430 investigations or what are your theories 1563 01:03:59,740 --> 01:03:55,790 I should say it wouldn't be the first 1564 01:04:01,720 --> 01:03:59,750 time that that UFO investigators have 1565 01:04:04,390 --> 01:04:01,730 been trailed I've been trailed with for 1566 01:04:09,070 --> 01:04:04,400 my sister's been trailed and the 1567 01:04:12,190 --> 01:04:09,080 vehicles that came up to us in Tonopah I 1568 01:04:15,610 --> 01:04:12,200 later saw one of the vehicles parked 1569 01:04:17,980 --> 01:04:15,620 part know the airbase who we were and we 1570 01:04:20,740 --> 01:04:17,990 had permit to be there and it was vacant 1571 01:04:22,690 --> 01:04:20,750 but there was a part of the airbase 1572 01:04:26,560 --> 01:04:22,700 there was still a small structure there 1573 01:04:29,260 --> 01:04:26,570 that the Iran Oslo Airport and I saw one 1574 01:04:30,820 --> 01:04:29,270 of the vehicles there later on and I 1575 01:04:33,370 --> 01:04:30,830 just thinking well maybe it's just you 1576 01:04:34,720 --> 01:04:33,380 know security for them or something but 1577 01:04:38,440 --> 01:04:34,730 what's really interesting though 1578 01:04:38,890 --> 01:04:38,450 a black SUV SUV suburban and we had one 1579 01:04:42,210 --> 01:04:38,900 too 1580 01:04:44,650 --> 01:04:42,220 yeah and after it aired I got this email 1581 01:04:48,790 --> 01:04:44,660 from this lady going you know 1582 01:04:51,930 --> 01:04:48,800 shenanigans shenanigans you guys did it 1583 01:04:55,859 --> 01:04:51,940 no actually there was another black yes 1584 01:05:02,200 --> 01:04:55,869 only one black SUV in the world yeah 1585 01:05:04,780 --> 01:05:02,210 black suburban in the world and I 1586 01:05:06,790 --> 01:05:04,790 personally think that it was the 1587 01:05:08,560 --> 01:05:06,800 security because I mean we had to get 1588 01:05:10,300 --> 01:05:08,570 permit this was a former military base I 1589 01:05:12,220 --> 01:05:10,310 think that they just were curious about 1590 01:05:14,440 --> 01:05:12,230 what we were doing but when we point 1591 01:05:17,470 --> 01:05:14,450 amaz around tourism they took off so I 1592 01:05:18,970 --> 01:05:17,480 don't know but it the first time yeah it 1593 01:05:21,490 --> 01:05:18,980 was it was interesting no Heather I 1594 01:05:24,670 --> 01:05:21,500 think correct me if I'm wrong was this 1595 01:05:26,530 --> 01:05:24,680 the episode where you got to sort of 1596 01:05:28,750 --> 01:05:26,540 show off your paranormal investigation 1597 01:05:32,260 --> 01:05:28,760 chops this is the one where you went 1598 01:05:35,560 --> 01:05:32,270 into the the house um so we were at the 1599 01:05:37,900 --> 01:05:35,570 Tonopah test range which is computer to 1600 01:05:40,150 --> 01:05:37,910 be you know people know at as area 52 1601 01:05:42,700 --> 01:05:40,160 because it's considered to be the jinx 1602 01:05:45,220 --> 01:05:42,710 field because a lot of a lot of like 1603 01:05:47,200 --> 01:05:45,230 aircraft training accidents had happened 1604 01:05:50,349 --> 01:05:47,210 where there was one incident where 200 1605 01:05:51,550 --> 01:05:50,359 people died so you see we're on this you 1606 01:05:53,440 --> 01:05:51,560 know we're in the desert and you see 1607 01:05:54,670 --> 01:05:53,450 this huge Airport hangar and that's one 1608 01:05:56,680 --> 01:05:54,680 of the places where I was like okay guys 1609 01:05:58,480 --> 01:05:56,690 I need to go in there it has a keep out 1610 01:06:00,460 --> 01:05:58,490 sign look look at it there has to be 1611 01:06:02,859 --> 01:06:00,470 some crazy stuff that has happened in 1612 01:06:05,590 --> 01:06:02,869 here so you see me going in there and 1613 01:06:07,270 --> 01:06:05,600 just kind of going in and out of the 1614 01:06:08,710 --> 01:06:07,280 little rooms and I find this one room 1615 01:06:10,000 --> 01:06:08,720 that's you know of course the first one 1616 01:06:11,710 --> 01:06:10,010 I want to go into is the one that's 1617 01:06:13,570 --> 01:06:11,720 boarded up because some type of it has 1618 01:06:16,150 --> 01:06:13,580 to be something good in there yes I'll 1619 01:06:18,070 --> 01:06:16,160 go in and you know it's just kind of me 1620 01:06:21,220 --> 01:06:18,080 exploring what seems to be somebody's 1621 01:06:23,620 --> 01:06:21,230 drug den or something but uh yeah that 1622 01:06:24,760 --> 01:06:23,630 that was interesting but I had my FLIR 1623 01:06:27,010 --> 01:06:24,770 and I was kind of looking around I 1624 01:06:28,900 --> 01:06:27,020 didn't really get in terms of paranormal 1625 01:06:31,150 --> 01:06:28,910 activity I didn't really get too much in 1626 01:06:34,480 --> 01:06:31,160 that area but the whole area overall was 1627 01:06:38,200 --> 01:06:34,490 pretty creepy right and I mean wasn't 1628 01:06:41,080 --> 01:06:38,210 this where Daniel also either saw or 1629 01:06:45,220 --> 01:06:41,090 possibly heard some sort of creature if 1630 01:06:47,620 --> 01:06:45,230 I'm mistaken I think he was wasn't he 1631 01:06:48,670 --> 01:06:47,630 looking down into some it was like a 1632 01:06:50,200 --> 01:06:48,680 body of water 1633 01:06:54,339 --> 01:06:50,210 yeah it was like almost like a dam of 1634 01:06:56,859 --> 01:06:54,349 some sort yeah he heard something down 1635 01:06:59,849 --> 01:06:56,869 there and then that was the episode two 1636 01:07:02,500 --> 01:06:59,859 that I'd have to be honest with you so 1637 01:07:05,529 --> 01:07:02,510 yeah we had a we had a showrunner and we 1638 01:07:10,599 --> 01:07:05,539 had a director and the director was with 1639 01:07:17,680 --> 01:07:10,609 us Mitch and then a showrunner was was 1640 01:07:19,299 --> 01:07:17,690 off doing a 10100 yeah basically and and 1641 01:07:22,299 --> 01:07:19,309 this is a night and we're inside this 1642 01:07:24,069 --> 01:07:22,309 this the impressionist large impression 1643 01:07:25,450 --> 01:07:24,079 in the ground were where all these the 1644 01:07:26,890 --> 01:07:25,460 openings are I mean it was underground 1645 01:07:28,210 --> 01:07:26,900 facility there and they were digging it 1646 01:07:31,390 --> 01:07:28,220 out there's a lot of places for 1647 01:07:34,299 --> 01:07:31,400 something to hide there and so Dan's got 1648 01:07:36,579 --> 01:07:34,309 the flare and I'm with them and around 1649 01:07:40,390 --> 01:07:36,589 this this this this dirt berm we see 1650 01:07:45,039 --> 01:07:40,400 this kind of image come out on us and we 1651 01:07:46,839 --> 01:07:45,049 go right well no that's you know that's 1652 01:07:50,859 --> 01:07:46,849 got to be sown so you know doing his 1653 01:07:53,950 --> 01:07:50,869 business and and then we hear his voice 1654 01:07:56,950 --> 01:07:53,960 off at a distance to Iraqi Tory so we 1655 01:08:00,160 --> 01:07:56,960 just run it and we're trying to chase it 1656 01:08:03,039 --> 01:08:00,170 down and and and then it must have 1657 01:08:05,079 --> 01:08:03,049 scurried behind you know behind that 1658 01:08:08,529 --> 01:08:05,089 dirt mound and there was a lot of I 1659 01:08:09,700 --> 01:08:08,539 don't say minor caves or anything then I 1660 01:08:11,109 --> 01:08:09,710 really kaise with their underground 1661 01:08:12,130 --> 01:08:11,119 facilities that they were digging you 1662 01:08:14,140 --> 01:08:12,140 know there's a lot of places for 1663 01:08:16,240 --> 01:08:14,150 something to hide there and that was 1664 01:08:18,700 --> 01:08:16,250 pretty cool because we you know capture 1665 01:08:20,050 --> 01:08:18,710 it on floor I'm flaring and my first 1666 01:08:22,209 --> 01:08:20,060 thought was you know it's one of the 1667 01:08:24,669 --> 01:08:22,219 production team but it definitely wasn't 1668 01:08:27,640 --> 01:08:24,679 because you know there was only couple 1669 01:08:31,660 --> 01:08:27,650 of us down there and we found out where 1670 01:08:33,760 --> 01:08:31,670 the guy was when we yeah so that was 1671 01:08:35,530 --> 01:08:33,770 interesting that was like what was that 1672 01:08:39,070 --> 01:08:35,540 you know was it that same creature that 1673 01:08:41,680 --> 01:08:39,080 that someone had filmed on their dashcam 1674 01:08:46,930 --> 01:08:41,690 now just to tell everybody out there 1675 01:08:48,970 --> 01:08:46,940 that's watching this did a - camp middle 1676 01:08:51,280 --> 01:08:48,980 of nowhere you'd be surprised you know 1677 01:08:54,010 --> 01:08:51,290 you ever watch these shows where people 1678 01:08:54,669 --> 01:08:54,020 go you know a Bigfoot run across my in 1679 01:08:56,079 --> 01:08:54,679 my truck 1680 01:08:59,050 --> 01:08:56,089 well you know if you have a dash cam you 1681 01:09:01,210 --> 01:08:59,060 what a complex problem solved yeah 1682 01:09:02,890 --> 01:09:01,220 it's been as dashcams came out I always 1683 01:09:05,050 --> 01:09:02,900 had one in my vehicle you're going to do 1684 01:09:06,579 --> 01:09:05,060 any type of investigations at all going 1685 01:09:09,040 --> 01:09:06,589 anyplace where there is any type of 1686 01:09:10,450 --> 01:09:09,050 paranormal activity outdoors get 1687 01:09:12,940 --> 01:09:10,460 yourself at you know they're very cheap 1688 01:09:15,460 --> 01:09:12,950 now just off the dashcam it runs 24/7 1689 01:09:17,829 --> 01:09:15,470 and you'd be surprised you might get 1690 01:09:19,690 --> 01:09:17,839 something yeah yeah I couldn't agree 1691 01:09:21,280 --> 01:09:19,700 with you more and I you know you guys 1692 01:09:22,450 --> 01:09:21,290 weren't able to catch at that time but 1693 01:09:25,630 --> 01:09:22,460 maybe it's still out there 1694 01:09:27,579 --> 01:09:25,640 if it is out there and I just hope it's 1695 01:09:29,440 --> 01:09:27,589 safe you know I hope it's keeping a 1696 01:09:34,090 --> 01:09:29,450 6-foot distance from everyone right now 1697 01:09:36,910 --> 01:09:34,100 well alright we're moving to my top two 1698 01:09:37,990 --> 01:09:36,920 favorite episodes this next one is near 1699 01:09:41,020 --> 01:09:38,000 and dear to my heart 1700 01:09:43,300 --> 01:09:41,030 Roswell New Mexico I have personally 1701 01:09:45,970 --> 01:09:43,310 investigated this case I've shared many 1702 01:09:48,040 --> 01:09:45,980 a notes with Heather about what we found 1703 01:09:52,390 --> 01:09:48,050 on our investigation what you guys guys 1704 01:09:54,910 --> 01:09:52,400 found and it's pretty interesting Chuck 1705 01:09:56,380 --> 01:09:54,920 now this is a part of the story that not 1706 01:09:59,380 --> 01:09:56,390 a lot of people have ever heard about 1707 01:10:02,910 --> 01:09:59,390 and that's everyone knows about the 1708 01:10:05,260 --> 01:10:02,920 crashed craft the military cover-up um 1709 01:10:07,090 --> 01:10:05,270 whatever the wreckage was shipped off to 1710 01:10:09,250 --> 01:10:07,100 wright-patterson Air 251 wherever 1711 01:10:12,250 --> 01:10:09,260 whatever base you want to say it's at 1712 01:10:16,210 --> 01:10:12,260 now but a lot of people don't think 1713 01:10:18,280 --> 01:10:16,220 about the pieces that hundreds of army 1714 01:10:21,460 --> 01:10:18,290 or military people who are out there on 1715 01:10:22,720 --> 01:10:21,470 the crash site picking piece after piece 1716 01:10:25,810 --> 01:10:22,730 up off the ground 1717 01:10:29,680 --> 01:10:25,820 um maybe something got into someone's 1718 01:10:34,570 --> 01:10:29,690 pocket accidentally so when it comes to 1719 01:10:37,570 --> 01:10:34,580 this I was really really impressed with 1720 01:10:39,610 --> 01:10:37,580 this map that was given to you where 1721 01:10:42,340 --> 01:10:39,620 possibly some of the wreckage from the 1722 01:10:44,080 --> 01:10:42,350 Roswell UFO crash where it may still be 1723 01:10:47,380 --> 01:10:44,090 housed so yeah can you tell us a little 1724 01:10:49,540 --> 01:10:47,390 about how you came to find this big 1725 01:10:55,630 --> 01:10:49,550 development in the Roswell case first 1726 01:10:57,430 --> 01:10:55,640 and foremost well Roswell's Roswell's 1727 01:11:00,130 --> 01:10:57,440 act like the very first type of 1728 01:11:02,110 --> 01:11:00,140 investigation I started doing when I got 1729 01:11:04,810 --> 01:11:02,120 involved in ufology and when I lived in 1730 01:11:08,050 --> 01:11:04,820 California anytime anyone to investigate 1731 01:11:10,510 --> 01:11:08,060 or anytime we went out on any type of a 1732 01:11:12,010 --> 01:11:10,520 family trip you know vacation that was 1733 01:11:12,820 --> 01:11:12,020 always by way of Roswell I mean you 1734 01:11:17,530 --> 01:11:12,830 could ask Daniel 1735 01:11:20,650 --> 01:11:17,540 that's yeah my kids or my wife and so I 1736 01:11:22,450 --> 01:11:20,660 learned from a very you know long time 1737 01:11:25,690 --> 01:11:22,460 ago you know all key players 1738 01:11:27,190 --> 01:11:25,700 Walter Haddon and Glenn Dennis and and 1739 01:11:30,550 --> 01:11:27,200 then got to meet the you know the 1740 01:11:32,830 --> 01:11:30,560 investigators there and so I got 1741 01:11:35,770 --> 01:11:32,840 involved in investigating the debris 1742 01:11:37,060 --> 01:11:35,780 side now for people who don't I don't 1743 01:11:40,120 --> 01:11:37,070 really understand what happened out 1744 01:11:43,450 --> 01:11:40,130 there is what we think what happens is 1745 01:11:45,460 --> 01:11:43,460 there was two crafts never never next to 1746 01:11:47,200 --> 01:11:45,470 each other there were the thunderstorm 1747 01:11:50,250 --> 01:11:47,210 going on that night they were flying 1748 01:11:53,650 --> 01:11:50,260 over Roswell Roswell Army Air Force Base 1749 01:11:57,220 --> 01:11:53,660 there are I think it was called Walker 1750 01:11:59,050 --> 01:11:57,230 base at the time was our only Strategic 1751 01:12:01,000 --> 01:11:59,060 Air Command base so it was a pretty 1752 01:12:04,450 --> 01:12:01,010 popular base matter of fact that's where 1753 01:12:06,220 --> 01:12:04,460 the crew of the Enola Gay train so it's 1754 01:12:08,350 --> 01:12:06,230 a concession how sophisticated that 1755 01:12:10,660 --> 01:12:08,360 piece was so these two UFOs are flying 1756 01:12:12,580 --> 01:12:10,670 over the base there's a thunderstorm 1757 01:12:15,820 --> 01:12:12,590 going on a horrific thunderstorm going 1758 01:12:18,970 --> 01:12:15,830 on and either they collide or something 1759 01:12:20,800 --> 01:12:18,980 there's 32 that they were hit white 1760 01:12:22,750 --> 01:12:20,810 direct beam radars because back in the 1761 01:12:25,360 --> 01:12:22,760 day threatening radar it's no different 1762 01:12:26,890 --> 01:12:25,370 than our microwave radar and if you want 1763 01:12:29,380 --> 01:12:26,900 to see an object off the distance you 1764 01:12:30,790 --> 01:12:29,390 just turn up the juice so you know they 1765 01:12:32,920 --> 01:12:30,800 were being triangulated by three 1766 01:12:34,690 --> 01:12:32,930 different radio radar stations the juice 1767 01:12:36,130 --> 01:12:34,700 was turned up to try and focus on a 1768 01:12:38,200 --> 01:12:36,140 burger thunderstorm it's like strike 1769 01:12:40,570 --> 01:12:38,210 anyway one went down a plane to st. 1770 01:12:42,520 --> 01:12:40,580 Augustine and one over by Corona and 1771 01:12:44,890 --> 01:12:42,530 Roswell and it was a skip that's what 1772 01:12:47,800 --> 01:12:44,900 the debris side is it came down skipped 1773 01:12:49,930 --> 01:12:47,810 and as it's skipping about three miles 1774 01:12:52,480 --> 01:12:49,940 it was turning a bit and there was a 1775 01:12:54,820 --> 01:12:52,490 hole aside and the alien or two fell out 1776 01:13:00,240 --> 01:12:54,830 with some brew debris and in 17 miles 1777 01:13:02,620 --> 01:13:00,250 later is sort of impacted over by the I 1778 01:13:04,410 --> 01:13:02,630 just drew a blank on the mountains but 1779 01:13:08,890 --> 01:13:04,420 anyway that's where boys got mountainous 1780 01:13:11,650 --> 01:13:08,900 and so we know there was debris 1781 01:13:13,990 --> 01:13:11,660 everywhere and the military picked up 1782 01:13:16,300 --> 01:13:14,000 the debris at the debris site and then 1783 01:13:18,660 --> 01:13:16,310 there was a second site where there was 1784 01:13:21,010 --> 01:13:18,670 debris and this is where we think the 1785 01:13:22,720 --> 01:13:21,020 ranchers had found it now my sister 1786 01:13:26,260 --> 01:13:22,730 Debbie and I had gone after a few times 1787 01:13:29,470 --> 01:13:26,270 and we actually dressed up one time 1788 01:13:32,140 --> 01:13:29,480 geologists asking the locals there were 1789 01:13:33,670 --> 01:13:32,150 you know were there sinkholes or caves 1790 01:13:35,620 --> 01:13:33,680 or anything like that because that 1791 01:13:38,290 --> 01:13:35,630 story's been around for a while 1792 01:13:39,850 --> 01:13:38,300 through locals there's not a lot of it's 1793 01:13:41,830 --> 01:13:39,860 been publicized but you know if you're 1794 01:13:43,810 --> 01:13:41,840 an investigator you know talk to the 1795 01:13:45,010 --> 01:13:43,820 locals they all talk about it and so 1796 01:13:47,440 --> 01:13:45,020 that's what we were trying to do that 1797 01:13:50,830 --> 01:13:47,450 was a few years ago so it was kind of 1798 01:13:53,650 --> 01:13:50,840 cool when when I was able to nail it 1799 01:13:56,260 --> 01:13:53,660 down we had a map that we got from an 1800 01:14:01,450 --> 01:13:56,270 informant and then we tested that map 1801 01:14:03,460 --> 01:14:01,460 against expertise with Don Schmidt who 1802 01:14:05,940 --> 01:14:03,470 I've known for a long time who was you 1803 01:14:08,230 --> 01:14:05,950 know Roswell investigator researcher and 1804 01:14:10,240 --> 01:14:08,240 he was actually trained under Jamie 1805 01:14:13,000 --> 01:14:10,250 Allen Hynek so you know he's a heck of a 1806 01:14:14,620 --> 01:14:13,010 guy so we actually brought him in to and 1807 01:14:16,300 --> 01:14:14,630 he said well you know I'll tell you that 1808 01:14:19,150 --> 01:14:16,310 Matt's kind of you know but you should 1809 01:14:21,310 --> 01:14:19,160 look here and I heard about both places 1810 01:14:22,660 --> 01:14:21,320 I've never seen a map before I knew that 1811 01:14:26,710 --> 01:14:22,670 there was something out there so it was 1812 01:14:28,570 --> 01:14:26,720 really cool to go there and and try and 1813 01:14:30,340 --> 01:14:28,580 look for work you know a cave or 1814 01:14:33,580 --> 01:14:30,350 something and then when we got 1815 01:14:35,110 --> 01:14:33,590 pinpointed back closer which was about 1816 01:14:36,850 --> 01:14:35,120 three miles away from the debris site 1817 01:14:39,490 --> 01:14:36,860 which makes this from the eyewitnesses 1818 01:14:43,110 --> 01:14:39,500 that we have lived our we had 1819 01:14:48,490 --> 01:14:43,120 interviewed of fun Fritz who was the 1820 01:14:50,260 --> 01:14:48,500 granddaughter of of Mac Brazel was you 1821 01:14:53,410 --> 01:14:50,270 know wasn't one who told us about you 1822 01:14:55,330 --> 01:14:53,420 know that specific site - and so way 1823 01:14:57,160 --> 01:14:55,340 cool and you know what was interesting 1824 01:14:59,170 --> 01:14:57,170 about that was we knew they were caves 1825 01:15:03,850 --> 01:14:59,180 there when we got there 1826 01:15:05,170 --> 01:15:03,860 unfortunately the you know the person 1827 01:15:07,800 --> 01:15:05,180 who said that there was a cave there 1828 01:15:11,140 --> 01:15:07,810 first investigate the cave then you know 1829 01:15:13,270 --> 01:15:11,150 they use explosions and dynamite and 1830 01:15:15,070 --> 01:15:13,280 dynamited the entrance and then so we 1831 01:15:19,000 --> 01:15:15,080 were we're looking we knew that that 1832 01:15:20,980 --> 01:15:19,010 whole place had case and Daniel knocked 1833 01:15:22,660 --> 01:15:20,990 it out of the park on that one you know 1834 01:15:24,640 --> 01:15:22,670 Heather and I are you know we're 1835 01:15:26,260 --> 01:15:24,650 investigating these these two openings 1836 01:15:28,060 --> 01:15:26,270 that that were blocked 1837 01:15:29,650 --> 01:15:28,070 you know cave openings that were blocked 1838 01:15:32,320 --> 01:15:29,660 and Daniel took off with neo the 1839 01:15:33,910 --> 01:15:32,330 cameraman like he always does and he 1840 01:15:36,970 --> 01:15:33,920 starts showing here you gotta you know 1841 01:15:38,470 --> 01:15:36,980 anyway and sure enough you know he found 1842 01:15:40,150 --> 01:15:38,480 an opening he found a cave and that 1843 01:15:41,800 --> 01:15:40,160 would make sense 1844 01:15:44,250 --> 01:15:41,810 from lucky what this described a cave 1845 01:15:46,420 --> 01:15:44,260 was pretty large you wouldn't hide 1846 01:15:48,850 --> 01:15:46,430 Rozell de brain something that was 1847 01:15:50,710 --> 01:15:48,860 obvious even right in something that was 1848 01:15:53,050 --> 01:15:50,720 less obvious like a smaller cave opening 1849 01:15:55,120 --> 01:15:53,060 and that was the we were at the right 1850 01:15:58,150 --> 01:15:55,130 place and it was just like oh my gosh 1851 01:16:01,450 --> 01:15:58,160 history all this is coming back at once 1852 01:16:04,300 --> 01:16:01,460 right at us right and I mean when you 1853 01:16:07,840 --> 01:16:04,310 guys did find the opening that's when 1854 01:16:09,790 --> 01:16:07,850 you know it was time to really try to 1855 01:16:12,820 --> 01:16:09,800 focus on well let's try to see what's 1856 01:16:16,390 --> 01:16:12,830 down there and this is kind of where you 1857 01:16:18,550 --> 01:16:16,400 know the drama of the episode hits and I 1858 01:16:21,340 --> 01:16:18,560 know a lot of people probably watching 1859 01:16:23,200 --> 01:16:21,350 this including myself we're wondering 1860 01:16:25,060 --> 01:16:23,210 you know you guys kind of got stymied on 1861 01:16:27,850 --> 01:16:25,070 your investigation by the owners of the 1862 01:16:30,250 --> 01:16:27,860 property they didn't want you there any 1863 01:16:32,320 --> 01:16:30,260 longer and her digging or anything so um 1864 01:16:34,930 --> 01:16:32,330 yeah what was that like that whole 1865 01:16:37,470 --> 01:16:34,940 experience you you're there you have you 1866 01:16:41,530 --> 01:16:37,480 found something that could be you know 1867 01:16:44,350 --> 01:16:41,540 history changing and then BOOM no sorry 1868 01:16:48,130 --> 01:16:44,360 you gotta go how what was that like well 1869 01:16:50,320 --> 01:16:48,140 I'll let Heather take this one letdown 1870 01:16:52,060 --> 01:16:50,330 I mean we got so far and and this guy 1871 01:16:54,610 --> 01:16:52,070 right off the bat there's just something 1872 01:16:56,260 --> 01:16:54,620 off about him because he's like you know 1873 01:16:57,520 --> 01:16:56,270 he's real excited for us to be there and 1874 01:16:59,110 --> 01:16:57,530 try to find this cave you know at the 1875 01:17:01,990 --> 01:16:59,120 same time he keeps talking about how his 1876 01:17:05,350 --> 01:17:02,000 family wants it to remain a secret and 1877 01:17:07,240 --> 01:17:05,360 how you know growing up his grandma 1878 01:17:09,700 --> 01:17:07,250 always told him not to go near this one 1879 01:17:11,920 --> 01:17:09,710 area because you know they figured it 1880 01:17:14,500 --> 01:17:11,930 was where this debris was hidden so it 1881 01:17:16,240 --> 01:17:14,510 was it really sucked to like at the end 1882 01:17:18,760 --> 01:17:16,250 when we're finally like realizing we 1883 01:17:19,210 --> 01:17:18,770 really found cave we can't go any 1884 01:17:21,130 --> 01:17:19,220 further 1885 01:17:23,260 --> 01:17:21,140 you know he comes rolling in and says 1886 01:17:25,300 --> 01:17:23,270 you know we have to stop we have to 1887 01:17:28,240 --> 01:17:25,310 think about my family and and we don't 1888 01:17:29,680 --> 01:17:28,250 want you to go any further um so it was 1889 01:17:32,950 --> 01:17:29,690 a bummer but I mean it was an amazing 1890 01:17:34,300 --> 01:17:32,960 experience that's one we definitely it 1891 01:17:35,800 --> 01:17:34,310 would be amazing to go back to and 1892 01:17:36,750 --> 01:17:35,810 actually just dig up his whole property 1893 01:17:41,020 --> 01:17:36,760 and see what we find 1894 01:17:44,020 --> 01:17:41,030 right I mean is that a possibility it is 1895 01:17:47,020 --> 01:17:44,030 or is this it are we done at this area 1896 01:17:49,180 --> 01:17:47,030 where wreckage might possibly be what do 1897 01:17:53,770 --> 01:17:49,190 you think Chuck no no not not at all 1898 01:17:55,780 --> 01:17:53,780 because what what it was and 1899 01:17:58,210 --> 01:17:55,790 it was a little more dramatic on TV than 1900 01:18:01,830 --> 01:17:58,220 that you know really happens but I think 1901 01:18:04,240 --> 01:18:01,840 what was going on was if we found debris 1902 01:18:06,940 --> 01:18:04,250 what that what would that mean to the 1903 01:18:10,120 --> 01:18:06,950 people you know you know living there 1904 01:18:11,890 --> 01:18:10,130 and and I can't tell you whether or not 1905 01:18:13,090 --> 01:18:11,900 it's among you know monetary type of 1906 01:18:14,590 --> 01:18:13,100 thing like oh my god alien debris 1907 01:18:16,120 --> 01:18:14,600 because there's you know there's a lot 1908 01:18:18,160 --> 01:18:16,130 of organizations out there that will pay 1909 01:18:21,460 --> 01:18:18,170 a million two million dollars or you 1910 01:18:23,290 --> 01:18:21,470 know absolutely proof of a flying craft 1911 01:18:26,380 --> 01:18:23,300 you know UFO or flying saucer or 1912 01:18:28,180 --> 01:18:26,390 whatever now or there's also cases where 1913 01:18:29,920 --> 01:18:28,190 if you do find something the men in 1914 01:18:31,330 --> 01:18:29,930 black show up or I don't what's the 1915 01:18:33,100 --> 01:18:31,340 matter blacks I mean there's there's 1916 01:18:35,020 --> 01:18:33,110 always ten different aspects of man a 1917 01:18:36,130 --> 01:18:35,030 black are the aliens or rather you know 1918 01:18:38,980 --> 01:18:36,140 or do they work with the government I 1919 01:18:40,990 --> 01:18:38,990 think they've you know more work for the 1920 01:18:44,830 --> 01:18:41,000 government and maybe a combination of 1921 01:18:46,450 --> 01:18:44,840 what yeah but no but still they have you 1922 01:18:48,010 --> 01:18:46,460 know people been visited by these you 1923 01:18:50,350 --> 01:18:48,020 know the guy that I talked about earlier 1924 01:18:55,170 --> 01:18:50,360 that had a you know this show they 1925 01:18:58,360 --> 01:18:55,180 actually had evidence of a daylight 1926 01:19:00,130 --> 01:18:58,370 cattle mutilation you know his house was 1927 01:19:02,890 --> 01:19:00,140 broken into the next day and things were 1928 01:19:05,110 --> 01:19:02,900 stolen and you know clearing the camera 1929 01:19:06,970 --> 01:19:05,120 and it was ransacked so somebody was 1930 01:19:08,500 --> 01:19:06,980 monitoring that in the monitoring the 1931 01:19:09,880 --> 01:19:08,510 fact that he wanted to heard that that's 1932 01:19:11,260 --> 01:19:09,890 what he doesn't want to talk about so 1933 01:19:13,360 --> 01:19:11,270 this is the case with that rancher there 1934 01:19:15,070 --> 01:19:13,370 too if we find something what's what's 1935 01:19:18,490 --> 01:19:15,080 what does that mean for them what's 1936 01:19:19,720 --> 01:19:18,500 going to happen you know and I think 1937 01:19:21,820 --> 01:19:19,730 after talking to the family that a 1938 01:19:24,790 --> 01:19:21,830 decision the decision was was hold off a 1939 01:19:27,190 --> 01:19:24,800 bit and I talked to him afterwards that 1940 01:19:29,680 --> 01:19:27,200 Daniel idea and then Heather was with us 1941 01:19:31,330 --> 01:19:29,690 also one and he basically said you know 1942 01:19:33,430 --> 01:19:31,340 you know he gave us permission to come 1943 01:19:35,770 --> 01:19:33,440 back because if we come back again 1944 01:19:39,490 --> 01:19:35,780 we weren't really prepared because we 1945 01:19:42,100 --> 01:19:39,500 were prepared to to go into a cave no 1946 01:19:43,720 --> 01:19:42,110 Daniel and I had you know the gear and 1947 01:19:48,070 --> 01:19:43,730 Daniel was going to go in and you know 1948 01:19:52,300 --> 01:19:48,080 and you know I was going to you know you 1949 01:19:55,210 --> 01:19:52,310 know hold the rope I'm not going in 1950 01:20:01,800 --> 01:19:55,220 there lived and good old like beer dad 1951 01:20:04,660 --> 01:20:01,810 hold my room oh and you know and smoke 1952 01:20:08,050 --> 01:20:04,670 look left but we realized that we just 1953 01:20:09,790 --> 01:20:08,060 didn't have the gear to do that and 1954 01:20:12,730 --> 01:20:09,800 and we're already at the end of that 1955 01:20:14,440 --> 01:20:12,740 shoot and so we did get permission if we 1956 01:20:16,810 --> 01:20:14,450 wanted to come back and this time we 1957 01:20:18,640 --> 01:20:16,820 would come back you know proper gear 1958 01:20:21,130 --> 01:20:18,650 some big machinery and actually get in 1959 01:20:24,520 --> 01:20:21,140 there not what didn't make the show 1960 01:20:26,020 --> 01:20:24,530 because everybody had stopped I don't 1961 01:20:28,840 --> 01:20:26,030 think you can see the whole off from the 1962 01:20:30,610 --> 01:20:28,850 background over here and then that's how 1963 01:20:32,410 --> 01:20:30,620 Daniel found it originally and then and 1964 01:20:33,790 --> 01:20:32,420 then we're able to dig it out further 1965 01:20:36,160 --> 01:20:33,800 and when we looked inside and had a 1966 01:20:41,110 --> 01:20:36,170 GoPro in there and stuck Heather's head 1967 01:20:44,920 --> 01:20:41,120 inside there she went it went they went 1968 01:20:46,540 --> 01:20:44,930 way back okay and and we knew that that 1969 01:20:48,610 --> 01:20:46,550 was you know there's a there's a big kid 1970 01:20:49,990 --> 01:20:48,620 complex there and so if it wasn't that 1971 01:20:51,730 --> 01:20:50,000 hole there's plenty other holes around 1972 01:20:53,920 --> 01:20:51,740 there but the thing was it's so 1973 01:20:56,260 --> 01:20:53,930 production left in that black ass you 1974 01:20:56,650 --> 01:20:56,270 know suburban and in my trucks parked 1975 01:21:00,040 --> 01:20:56,660 there 1976 01:21:02,200 --> 01:21:00,050 Ram 1500 rebels so it's a it's a fairly 1977 01:21:04,330 --> 01:21:02,210 heavy truck so it's sitting there hand 1978 01:21:06,850 --> 01:21:04,340 and throwing gear in the back and just 1979 01:21:10,080 --> 01:21:06,860 after the suburban left as I walked up 1980 01:21:12,820 --> 01:21:10,090 open the door of the driver's door 1981 01:21:14,920 --> 01:21:12,830 my whole body lifted like this I went up 1982 01:21:16,930 --> 01:21:14,930 and down on the ground I'm standing on 1983 01:21:18,520 --> 01:21:16,940 the ground and I got lifted up off the 1984 01:21:20,410 --> 01:21:18,530 ground and back out on the ground the 1985 01:21:21,670 --> 01:21:20,420 ground actually moved and and my heart 1986 01:21:23,440 --> 01:21:21,680 just kinda like stopped there blanke 1987 01:21:25,780 --> 01:21:23,450 sinkhole was the first thing I was 1988 01:21:27,520 --> 01:21:25,790 thinking of him winning oh my god we're 1989 01:21:30,610 --> 01:21:27,530 gonna we're gonna we're gonna drop into 1990 01:21:32,830 --> 01:21:30,620 a sinkhole okay and ask Heather that you 1991 01:21:34,480 --> 01:21:32,840 know Danny because here they saw this 1992 01:21:36,280 --> 01:21:34,490 like shocked look on my face when goes 1993 01:21:37,720 --> 01:21:36,290 wrong I'm going I just got to lift it 1994 01:21:39,820 --> 01:21:37,730 off the ground when they won the 1995 01:21:41,530 --> 01:21:39,830 suburban lift that means it's hollow 1996 01:21:45,400 --> 01:21:41,540 underneath a lot Hollow 1997 01:21:47,560 --> 01:21:45,410 right and so I carefully got a dips you 1998 01:21:51,460 --> 01:21:47,570 know in the truck and we backed out of 1999 01:21:53,770 --> 01:21:51,470 there and man I tell you so when we go 2000 01:21:57,400 --> 01:21:53,780 back depending on the type of if we go 2001 01:21:58,960 --> 01:21:57,410 back you know the type of equipment we 2002 01:22:04,060 --> 01:21:58,970 bring we have to make sure it's not too 2003 01:22:05,860 --> 01:22:04,070 heavy I guess yeah yeah this was yeah 2004 01:22:08,860 --> 01:22:05,870 this is by far one of my favorite 2005 01:22:12,820 --> 01:22:08,870 episodes just again this is the the case 2006 01:22:14,770 --> 01:22:12,830 the seminal case in UFO history so the 2007 01:22:17,800 --> 01:22:14,780 fact that you even got to like be where 2008 01:22:20,800 --> 01:22:17,810 a UFO possibly crashed and was recovered 2009 01:22:21,700 --> 01:22:20,810 um that's a powerful thing I know when I 2010 01:22:24,400 --> 01:22:21,710 stepped foot on 2011 01:22:26,680 --> 01:22:24,410 suppose a crash site I mean just like 2012 01:22:28,870 --> 01:22:26,690 decades of history just started flooding 2013 01:22:30,850 --> 01:22:28,880 through me so that was really cool 2014 01:22:32,980 --> 01:22:30,860 Heather what did you make I mean being a 2015 01:22:35,410 --> 01:22:32,990 paranormal investigator you now were 2016 01:22:38,080 --> 01:22:35,420 like thrown into thrown in with the 2017 01:22:40,870 --> 01:22:38,090 wolves here investigating the biggest 2018 01:22:43,300 --> 01:22:40,880 UFO case of all time so like any 2019 01:22:44,860 --> 01:22:43,310 pressure or like what you go in thinking 2020 01:22:46,780 --> 01:22:44,870 of the whole Roswell oh my god 2021 01:22:48,550 --> 01:22:46,790 I mean it was completely amazing you 2022 01:22:50,290 --> 01:22:48,560 know and from the start reading about 2023 01:22:52,720 --> 01:22:50,300 and researching about it I definitely 2024 01:22:54,850 --> 01:22:52,730 agree that it would you know there were 2025 01:22:56,170 --> 01:22:54,860 a lot of things covered up as you guys 2026 01:22:58,690 --> 01:22:56,180 probably agree - there's a lot of 2027 01:23:01,240 --> 01:22:58,700 unanswered questions so going into this 2028 01:23:02,920 --> 01:23:01,250 for me it was amazing to interview one 2029 01:23:04,870 --> 01:23:02,930 of the proctors and get confirmation 2030 01:23:06,880 --> 01:23:04,880 that you know they didn't keep debris 2031 01:23:09,640 --> 01:23:06,890 because that was a rumor going around 2032 01:23:12,640 --> 01:23:09,650 you know that they they were hiding 2033 01:23:14,410 --> 01:23:12,650 debris so it was just really cool to go 2034 01:23:16,870 --> 01:23:14,420 to the debris site and actually stand 2035 01:23:18,640 --> 01:23:16,880 there with the proctors and and just see 2036 01:23:21,190 --> 01:23:18,650 them looking around and taking it all in 2037 01:23:24,180 --> 01:23:21,200 and it was it was incredible I remember 2038 01:23:27,520 --> 01:23:24,190 like picking up rocks and being like 2039 01:23:28,900 --> 01:23:27,530 yeah it was incredible like not many 2040 01:23:30,580 --> 01:23:28,910 people can say they get to go to the 2041 01:23:32,140 --> 01:23:30,590 debris site and it was funny because I 2042 01:23:35,500 --> 01:23:32,150 was going through one of my recorders 2043 01:23:36,940 --> 01:23:35,510 and I was transcribing the Sandy Proctor 2044 01:23:40,540 --> 01:23:36,950 interview and I left the recorder on 2045 01:23:42,070 --> 01:23:40,550 when we were in your truck Chuck and we 2046 01:23:44,110 --> 01:23:42,080 were going to the debris site trying to 2047 01:23:45,670 --> 01:23:44,120 find it and it's just really funny 2048 01:23:47,050 --> 01:23:45,680 hearing us talk because I'm like wait I 2049 01:23:48,070 --> 01:23:47,060 don't see anything because I I was 2050 01:23:50,350 --> 01:23:48,080 assuming there was gonna be like a 2051 01:23:52,630 --> 01:23:50,360 little pipe marker where the debris site 2052 01:23:53,980 --> 01:23:52,640 was and Chuck you just go what do you 2053 01:23:57,910 --> 01:23:53,990 think we're gonna see like a crashed UFO 2054 01:23:59,590 --> 01:23:57,920 and we just start laughing well it was 2055 01:24:02,800 --> 01:23:59,600 really cool because my sister now years 2056 01:24:05,980 --> 01:24:02,810 ago tried to so talk to Dee Proctor his 2057 01:24:09,340 --> 01:24:05,990 older brother and when we got to that 2058 01:24:11,530 --> 01:24:09,350 area where Sandy Proctor lives that's 2059 01:24:13,210 --> 01:24:11,540 where Dee lives or lived you know there 2060 01:24:15,700 --> 01:24:13,220 was these big scientists says you know 2061 01:24:17,710 --> 01:24:15,710 trans-fats trespassers will be shot and 2062 01:24:18,730 --> 01:24:17,720 he was a pretty reserved guy back in the 2063 01:24:22,030 --> 01:24:18,740 day so we didn't get a chance to 2064 01:24:24,910 --> 01:24:22,040 actually meet Dee we so it was a real 2065 01:24:29,530 --> 01:24:24,920 pleasure for me to meet sandy now you 2066 01:24:30,220 --> 01:24:29,540 know our early TV show I did for the Sci 2067 01:24:32,170 --> 01:24:30,230 Fi Channel 2068 01:24:33,850 --> 01:24:32,180 my sister and I actually found a piece 2069 01:24:35,350 --> 01:24:33,860 of debris that the debris said were you 2070 01:24:38,530 --> 01:24:35,360 doing an archeology digging there 2071 01:24:40,990 --> 01:24:38,540 back in 2000 and I had that debris 2072 01:24:43,090 --> 01:24:41,000 analyzed under electron scanning 2073 01:24:46,899 --> 01:24:43,100 microscope and you can see it behind me 2074 01:24:50,100 --> 01:24:46,909 here this is a picture that you know 2075 01:24:53,050 --> 01:24:50,110 with this was probably about 10 microns 2076 01:24:55,959 --> 01:24:53,060 diameter so this thing was a little 2077 01:24:58,899 --> 01:24:55,969 silicone alloy and it had it was like a 2078 01:25:00,189 --> 01:24:58,909 little explosion type of holes and and 2079 01:25:02,859 --> 01:25:00,199 stuff when we looked at it under 2080 01:25:04,780 --> 01:25:02,869 electron scanning microscope and there 2081 01:25:06,280 --> 01:25:04,790 was trace elements of titanium a little 2082 01:25:09,189 --> 01:25:06,290 bit here a little bit there and it was 2083 01:25:12,310 --> 01:25:09,199 really cool and so so I can you know 2084 01:25:13,750 --> 01:25:12,320 I've been around that whole area and and 2085 01:25:17,470 --> 01:25:13,760 this thing was analyzed actually by bass 2086 01:25:19,720 --> 01:25:17,480 by my Bigelow Aerospace within the first 2087 01:25:23,800 --> 01:25:19,730 week that they analyzed it they said it 2088 01:25:26,200 --> 01:25:23,810 was a unknown polymer based on the 2089 01:25:28,300 --> 01:25:26,210 catalog of polymers in their lab doesn't 2090 01:25:29,859 --> 01:25:28,310 mean it's unknown to the plant it just 2091 01:25:32,260 --> 01:25:29,869 means it was unknown to the most popular 2092 01:25:34,810 --> 01:25:32,270 polymers and I said well what's next he 2093 01:25:36,939 --> 01:25:34,820 said well isopropyl analysis and that's 2094 01:25:38,350 --> 01:25:36,949 the last I ever heard of Bigelow a year 2095 01:25:40,060 --> 01:25:38,360 later they got back in and said oh it 2096 01:25:42,280 --> 01:25:40,070 was nothing of course we know about 2097 01:25:44,140 --> 01:25:42,290 biggle being part of the Pentagon and 2098 01:25:45,850 --> 01:25:44,150 being you know being funded in part of 2099 01:25:47,800 --> 01:25:45,860 the Pentagon and that's about that same 2100 01:25:50,859 --> 01:25:47,810 time he was being funded so it was 2101 01:25:52,629 --> 01:25:50,869 interesting now know that I know what 2102 01:25:55,629 --> 01:25:52,639 was going on at the time I thought what 2103 01:25:57,340 --> 01:25:55,639 the heck is he doing so we had also 2104 01:25:58,959 --> 01:25:57,350 heard about that story where that debris 2105 01:26:00,640 --> 01:25:58,969 was so it was actually cool to go back 2106 01:26:03,729 --> 01:26:00,650 to org or that site because I never got 2107 01:26:05,280 --> 01:26:03,739 an opportunity to visit that ranch for 2108 01:26:08,439 --> 01:26:05,290 that didn't exactly know where it was 2109 01:26:10,840 --> 01:26:08,449 yeah yeah I think it was again these 2110 01:26:13,750 --> 01:26:10,850 television shows they provide 2111 01:26:16,870 --> 01:26:13,760 opportunities for investigators to have 2112 01:26:19,540 --> 01:26:16,880 resources they might not usually have so 2113 01:26:21,040 --> 01:26:19,550 I mean it in one respect yeah it's 2114 01:26:24,280 --> 01:26:21,050 television it's entertainment but in 2115 01:26:27,280 --> 01:26:24,290 another respect it's really cool to UM 2116 01:26:29,830 --> 01:26:27,290 to have that opportunity I mean I was 2117 01:26:32,740 --> 01:26:29,840 able to get possible wreckage from the 2118 01:26:35,560 --> 01:26:32,750 debris site and all I said an aerospace 2119 01:26:37,859 --> 01:26:35,570 lab that's something that I never in my 2120 01:26:41,979 --> 01:26:37,869 wildest dreams thought I would be 2121 01:26:44,649 --> 01:26:41,989 somewhat a part of and just like you we 2122 01:26:47,900 --> 01:26:44,659 had really interesting results when it 2123 01:26:50,150 --> 01:26:47,910 came to what this gentleman brought 2124 01:26:52,760 --> 01:26:50,160 to us so I think it's really cool that 2125 01:26:56,870 --> 01:26:52,770 you guys got to visit one of the you 2126 01:26:59,750 --> 01:26:56,880 know most elusive UFO cases of all time 2127 01:27:02,240 --> 01:26:59,760 and you also got to tackle one of the 2128 01:27:04,940 --> 01:27:02,250 most mysterious places of all time you 2129 01:27:07,100 --> 01:27:04,950 did mention Bob Bigelow so we are we're 2130 01:27:09,320 --> 01:27:07,110 going strong we're gonna end with what 2131 01:27:12,110 --> 01:27:09,330 actually was your premiere episode I 2132 01:27:15,080 --> 01:27:12,120 think was a really smart thing to do on 2133 01:27:17,210 --> 01:27:15,090 the networks you know decision to do 2134 01:27:19,940 --> 01:27:17,220 that is um boom we're going to 2135 01:27:23,390 --> 01:27:19,950 skinwalker ranch so this is a hot hot 2136 01:27:26,750 --> 01:27:23,400 topic right now you know in terms of 2137 01:27:28,520 --> 01:27:26,760 everything bass and a tip and some of 2138 01:27:31,280 --> 01:27:28,530 the money that was used for the secret 2139 01:27:33,980 --> 01:27:31,290 Pentagon UFO program actually most of it 2140 01:27:37,070 --> 01:27:33,990 was given to Bigelow to investigate 2141 01:27:40,190 --> 01:27:37,080 skinwalker ranch so let's go let's do 2142 01:27:42,890 --> 01:27:40,200 what Heather have you heard of this 2143 01:27:44,930 --> 01:27:42,900 place what do you what did you make of 2144 01:27:47,090 --> 01:27:44,940 skinwalker ranch before going there and 2145 01:27:49,100 --> 01:27:47,100 what were your expectations I guess 2146 01:27:51,650 --> 01:27:49,110 going to the ranch I mean going into 2147 01:27:54,530 --> 01:27:51,660 this I knew it there this was regarded 2148 01:27:56,360 --> 01:27:54,540 as a true hotspot for not only UFO 2149 01:27:58,160 --> 01:27:56,370 activity but paranormal activity that 2150 01:27:59,960 --> 01:27:58,170 you know scientists couldn't even really 2151 01:28:02,030 --> 01:27:59,970 explain so I knew going into it it was 2152 01:28:05,690 --> 01:28:02,040 gonna be big I wish we could have got 2153 01:28:09,740 --> 01:28:05,700 behind that gate though but yeah we 2154 01:28:11,180 --> 01:28:09,750 didn't have to so it would again to be 2155 01:28:12,320 --> 01:28:11,190 you know person like me it's always read 2156 01:28:13,820 --> 01:28:12,330 about these places to be able to go 2157 01:28:15,380 --> 01:28:13,830 there you never imagined that that's 2158 01:28:17,600 --> 01:28:15,390 gonna happen and then you get to go and 2159 01:28:19,130 --> 01:28:17,610 it was incredible and it's you know it's 2160 01:28:21,470 --> 01:28:19,140 all documented on television so I can 2161 01:28:24,050 --> 01:28:21,480 always revisit it that's such a good 2162 01:28:26,150 --> 01:28:24,060 point it's immortal at this photo um 2163 01:28:28,610 --> 01:28:26,160 Chuck how about you man have you ever 2164 01:28:31,460 --> 01:28:28,620 been out to the area of the ranch before 2165 01:28:34,970 --> 01:28:31,470 in your past investigations and yeah was 2166 01:28:36,920 --> 01:28:34,980 it like going there I've never been at 2167 01:28:39,890 --> 01:28:36,930 the ranch because I've done some 2168 01:28:43,910 --> 01:28:39,900 investigations from Colorado into Utah 2169 01:28:46,940 --> 01:28:43,920 and then over by vernal but not actually 2170 01:28:49,730 --> 01:28:46,950 were where we were and so that was it 2171 01:28:51,800 --> 01:28:49,740 was it really is it was plus for me what 2172 01:28:53,780 --> 01:28:51,810 was cool about that is is this was one 2173 01:28:57,230 --> 01:28:53,790 of the ones that I that I brought to the 2174 01:28:58,850 --> 01:28:57,240 attention of Rick I said because one of 2175 01:29:01,670 --> 01:28:58,860 where you want to go and I said well I 2176 01:29:04,130 --> 01:29:01,680 begin contacts from a couple different 2177 01:29:06,620 --> 01:29:04,140 people that there's stuff going on 2178 01:29:08,870 --> 01:29:06,630 outside the skinwalker ranch you don't 2179 01:29:11,120 --> 01:29:08,880 have to be at the ranch you know sir 2180 01:29:14,150 --> 01:29:11,130 like you know San Luis Valley 2181 01:29:16,520 --> 01:29:14,160 you know Wonka peak is where we're you 2182 01:29:18,500 --> 01:29:16,530 know the first horse mutilation in the 2183 01:29:20,240 --> 01:29:18,510 snippy the horse but you don't have to 2184 01:29:22,310 --> 01:29:20,250 be a blonde compete the whole San Luis 2185 01:29:23,750 --> 01:29:22,320 Valley is hot same thing over there you 2186 01:29:25,100 --> 01:29:23,760 don't have to be at the ranch because 2187 01:29:28,790 --> 01:29:25,110 there's a lot of stuff happening out the 2188 01:29:30,890 --> 01:29:28,800 rich you know outside within 10 15 20 2189 01:29:32,690 --> 01:29:30,900 miles outside the rail a whole place is 2190 01:29:34,370 --> 01:29:32,700 hot and so that was one of the things I 2191 01:29:36,230 --> 01:29:34,380 said I don't want to actually go into 2192 01:29:37,520 --> 01:29:36,240 the ranch don't even worry about that 2193 01:29:39,410 --> 01:29:37,530 but there's there's there's so much 2194 01:29:41,450 --> 01:29:39,420 going outside the ranch that I know 2195 01:29:43,130 --> 01:29:41,460 we're gonna come up with something and 2196 01:29:45,440 --> 01:29:43,140 we did it was it was pretty cool I don't 2197 01:29:49,220 --> 01:29:45,450 know if you can see this behind and this 2198 01:30:00,950 --> 01:29:49,230 is still puzzling to me something to see 2199 01:30:06,260 --> 01:30:00,960 that one yeah that when I saw that on 2200 01:30:09,470 --> 01:30:06,270 air when I watched it I freaked the F at 2201 01:30:11,570 --> 01:30:09,480 whoa I almost went there that is one of 2202 01:30:13,760 --> 01:30:11,580 the most startling pieces of evidence I 2203 01:30:16,100 --> 01:30:13,770 think that I've ever come across in 2204 01:30:19,130 --> 01:30:16,110 terms of skinwalker ranch a lot of 2205 01:30:21,610 --> 01:30:19,140 London yeah anywhere yeah a lot of 2206 01:30:25,510 --> 01:30:21,620 legends say that there are these huge 2207 01:30:27,950 --> 01:30:25,520 dog like beasts out there and you guys 2208 01:30:29,780 --> 01:30:27,960 might have captured it so what what did 2209 01:30:31,970 --> 01:30:29,790 you think when you first saw that video 2210 01:30:34,460 --> 01:30:31,980 for the first time well there's a little 2211 01:30:37,100 --> 01:30:34,470 bit of a back story first no that's up 2212 01:30:41,120 --> 01:30:37,110 though I have a couple of Moultrie game 2213 01:30:44,210 --> 01:30:41,130 cameras and and just by talking to two 2214 01:30:45,980 --> 01:30:44,220 hunters and I decided to buy mulches was 2215 01:30:48,380 --> 01:30:45,990 a better camera and that's what I was 2216 01:30:50,990 --> 01:30:48,390 using there was a case in Missouri who 2217 01:30:56,000 --> 01:30:51,000 were two of our cameras two of my 2218 01:30:58,280 --> 01:30:56,010 cameras were messed with and and anyway 2219 01:31:00,320 --> 01:30:58,290 heaven knows all about this but the 2220 01:31:02,420 --> 01:31:00,330 fraud was the first thing I did is I 2221 01:31:03,680 --> 01:31:02,430 blamed a production company because I 2222 01:31:05,360 --> 01:31:03,690 thought okay they're just trying to 2223 01:31:08,330 --> 01:31:05,370 manipulate evidence to make a good TV 2224 01:31:10,610 --> 01:31:08,340 show okay this is our first episode okay 2225 01:31:12,590 --> 01:31:10,620 or one of our first episodes so I'm 2226 01:31:14,900 --> 01:31:12,600 still trying to fill out the whole 2227 01:31:15,530 --> 01:31:14,910 experience of having you know being on a 2228 01:31:19,040 --> 01:31:15,540 TV 2229 01:31:21,170 --> 01:31:19,050 so so that wasn't the case 2230 01:31:22,760 --> 01:31:21,180 you know after after we you know we 2231 01:31:24,380 --> 01:31:22,770 figured out you know the Depression sure 2232 01:31:27,230 --> 01:31:24,390 was anywhere near then we thought okay 2233 01:31:28,940 --> 01:31:27,240 maybe it was a witness or whatever so 2234 01:31:31,700 --> 01:31:28,950 the terms that wouldn't don't know what 2235 01:31:32,810 --> 01:31:31,710 happened and who messed with our cameras 2236 01:31:35,180 --> 01:31:32,820 but there was definitely footprints 2237 01:31:38,570 --> 01:31:35,190 there the thing was is so since then 2238 01:31:42,860 --> 01:31:38,580 anytime that that Daniel I would place a 2239 01:31:44,870 --> 01:31:42,870 camera we tied it in a certain way we 2240 01:31:47,630 --> 01:31:44,880 put the batteries in a certain way that 2241 01:31:51,860 --> 01:31:47,640 we knew that if anybody messed with the 2242 01:31:53,480 --> 01:31:51,870 camera that that that we would have 2243 01:31:54,680 --> 01:31:53,490 evidence that we knew it and then and 2244 01:31:56,660 --> 01:31:54,690 then all the evidence that was on my 2245 01:31:58,670 --> 01:31:56,670 camera would just be nothing right I 2246 01:32:00,050 --> 01:31:58,680 would have to disregard it as a UFO 2247 01:32:03,950 --> 01:32:00,060 investigator because that's that's what 2248 01:32:06,380 --> 01:32:03,960 I do now this case I'm time they're 2249 01:32:08,690 --> 01:32:06,390 watching this and I see that and if and 2250 01:32:16,460 --> 01:32:08,700 if you then you almost I don't know if 2251 01:32:18,830 --> 01:32:16,470 you can almost see looking at like off 2252 01:32:19,970 --> 01:32:18,840 at a distance a little bit well if you 2253 01:32:22,670 --> 01:32:19,980 watch that clicking speaking I'm 2254 01:32:24,940 --> 01:32:22,680 thinking I don't believe what I just saw 2255 01:32:27,140 --> 01:32:24,950 someone after with our cameras 2256 01:32:29,270 --> 01:32:27,150 production company got in there and F 2257 01:32:30,530 --> 01:32:29,280 with it and I'm picking through my mind 2258 01:32:31,970 --> 01:32:30,540 okay how could they have done it how can 2259 01:32:35,780 --> 01:32:31,980 ya well know when Daniel and I picked up 2260 01:32:37,340 --> 01:32:35,790 the camera that morning we checked the 2261 01:32:39,170 --> 01:32:37,350 camera to see whether or not we looked 2262 01:32:41,600 --> 01:32:39,180 at the camera and we placed it there and 2263 01:32:44,180 --> 01:32:41,610 everything that we placed there was us 2264 01:32:46,940 --> 01:32:44,190 nothing was manipulated on camera then I 2265 01:32:51,020 --> 01:32:46,950 got thinking oh wait the camera was in 2266 01:32:54,080 --> 01:32:51,030 my truck and then Neil just just not 2267 01:32:56,570 --> 01:32:54,090 long before that hey do you have that SD 2268 01:32:59,600 --> 01:32:56,580 card and so I gave him the SD card 2269 01:33:02,450 --> 01:32:59,610 there's no way that production could 2270 01:33:04,100 --> 01:33:02,460 have manipulated that CG turn or 2271 01:33:06,140 --> 01:33:04,110 anything when I'm running it all through 2272 01:33:08,030 --> 01:33:06,150 my hand when I'm watching this going I 2273 01:33:10,130 --> 01:33:08,040 can't be real they can't be real now 2274 01:33:13,100 --> 01:33:10,140 when I'm watching this I get I get goose 2275 01:33:15,350 --> 01:33:13,110 pimples because it's like that's real 2276 01:33:17,660 --> 01:33:15,360 lemons that is absolutely real evidence 2277 01:33:19,760 --> 01:33:17,670 and you know when people watch that it's 2278 01:33:22,070 --> 01:33:19,770 just like oh well you know they meant no 2279 01:33:24,260 --> 01:33:22,080 we didn't tip you late it and I keep 2280 01:33:26,990 --> 01:33:24,270 going through our mind each time how 2281 01:33:28,430 --> 01:33:27,000 that could have been manipulated then I 2282 01:33:29,419 --> 01:33:28,440 can't come up with a reason so I'm 2283 01:33:33,560 --> 01:33:29,429 trying to debunk that 2284 01:33:36,020 --> 01:33:33,570 evidence and i can't there's no way yeah 2285 01:33:39,010 --> 01:33:36,030 i mean it literally looks like this 2286 01:33:41,180 --> 01:33:39,020 thing appeared out of thin air 2287 01:33:42,709 --> 01:33:41,190 materialized out of nowhere I mean 2288 01:33:44,450 --> 01:33:42,719 Heather what did you make of this when 2289 01:33:46,520 --> 01:33:44,460 you first saw it I mean when we first 2290 01:33:48,979 --> 01:33:46,530 saw it I was like what like there's no 2291 01:33:52,100 --> 01:33:48,989 way because first of all what the heck 2292 01:33:54,050 --> 01:33:52,110 is it second of all you know you see 2293 01:33:55,729 --> 01:33:54,060 clearly on the camera and they didn't 2294 01:33:59,180 --> 01:33:55,739 even show all the footage but you can 2295 01:34:01,280 --> 01:33:59,190 see where a car or truck goes by you can 2296 01:34:03,370 --> 01:34:01,290 see where it's triggered and you know we 2297 01:34:06,740 --> 01:34:03,380 had we had like what the camera had like 2298 01:34:08,570 --> 01:34:06,750 168 hits or something for the one of the 2299 01:34:11,270 --> 01:34:08,580 whole cameras so we had a lot of footage 2300 01:34:13,250 --> 01:34:11,280 of just cars going by and you can see 2301 01:34:15,890 --> 01:34:13,260 none of them just appeared in the middle 2302 01:34:17,450 --> 01:34:15,900 of the screen like this this footage so 2303 01:34:19,430 --> 01:34:17,460 it's still like I don't know if we'll 2304 01:34:21,530 --> 01:34:19,440 ever really be able to explain it yeah 2305 01:34:24,380 --> 01:34:21,540 well I mean and that's and I've used 2306 01:34:26,390 --> 01:34:24,390 these moultrie cameras a lot I started 2307 01:34:31,340 --> 01:34:26,400 off with Bushnell and I'm not blaming 2308 01:34:35,270 --> 01:34:31,350 Bushnell I just went to a higher level 2309 01:34:36,950 --> 01:34:35,280 camera and like I just ordered another 2310 01:34:40,450 --> 01:34:36,960 higher level camera earlier this year 2311 01:34:43,520 --> 01:34:40,460 I've got it yet don't tell my wife but 2312 01:34:45,590 --> 01:34:43,530 the thing is is is I've used them I've 2313 01:34:47,360 --> 01:34:45,600 used them in Bigfoot investigations I've 2314 01:34:51,770 --> 01:34:47,370 used to the cattle mutilation 2315 01:34:54,919 --> 01:34:51,780 investigations and every single time you 2316 01:34:56,780 --> 01:34:54,929 can see the animal come in scene and 2317 01:34:58,070 --> 01:34:56,790 leave scene or come and see and stay 2318 01:35:01,550 --> 01:34:58,080 there or whatever 2319 01:35:04,130 --> 01:35:01,560 nothing ever just appears and out of and 2320 01:35:05,270 --> 01:35:04,140 I've been using these for years started 2321 01:35:06,709 --> 01:35:05,280 off with Bushnell but I've been using 2322 01:35:08,660 --> 01:35:06,719 things for years and I'd never ever 2323 01:35:10,550 --> 01:35:08,670 never experienced that that's why the 2324 01:35:12,979 --> 01:35:10,560 first thing in my you know my mind my 2325 01:35:15,020 --> 01:35:12,989 first thought was we're getting effed 2326 01:35:17,419 --> 01:35:15,030 with some was screwing with us and then 2327 01:35:19,790 --> 01:35:17,429 I keep even without the production 2328 01:35:23,120 --> 01:35:19,800 company knowing I took the footage that 2329 01:35:25,970 --> 01:35:23,130 night on my computer and I then I ran it 2330 01:35:30,649 --> 01:35:25,980 slide by slide by slide by slide to see 2331 01:35:32,540 --> 01:35:30,659 if even after I figured out there was no 2332 01:35:34,100 --> 01:35:32,550 way they could have done it it's still 2333 01:35:36,860 --> 01:35:34,110 that night I went through each slide to 2334 01:35:39,260 --> 01:35:36,870 see if the snow coming down if there was 2335 01:35:40,669 --> 01:35:39,270 a little you know like a splice or 2336 01:35:43,399 --> 01:35:40,679 something in there and there there 2337 01:35:45,800 --> 01:35:43,409 wasn't and I'm like my god 2338 01:35:49,010 --> 01:35:45,810 I mean this is this is really this is 2339 01:35:51,620 --> 01:35:49,020 crazy even to this day like I'm going we 2340 01:35:54,500 --> 01:35:51,630 captured a real phenomena yeah you 2341 01:35:56,840 --> 01:35:54,510 captured that and you I mean there were 2342 01:35:59,770 --> 01:35:56,850 random gunshots you guys heard 2343 01:36:02,300 --> 01:35:59,780 throughout the evening there was also 2344 01:36:04,010 --> 01:36:02,310 what one of the other big studying 2345 01:36:06,740 --> 01:36:04,020 pieces of video evidence I think you 2346 01:36:09,080 --> 01:36:06,750 came across was the these beams of light 2347 01:36:12,410 --> 01:36:09,090 coming up over the mountain range this 2348 01:36:13,610 --> 01:36:12,420 was really interesting so I guess 2349 01:36:15,410 --> 01:36:13,620 Heather we'll start with you what did 2350 01:36:17,600 --> 01:36:15,420 you make of these lights that you guys 2351 01:36:20,390 --> 01:36:17,610 saw over the mountain range man I mean 2352 01:36:22,399 --> 01:36:20,400 you can tell by my reaction that I was 2353 01:36:24,640 --> 01:36:22,409 just so excited because you know we're 2354 01:36:27,919 --> 01:36:24,650 standing there and you can just see a 2355 01:36:29,899 --> 01:36:27,929 faraway shadow of Dan up on this 2356 01:36:32,090 --> 01:36:29,909 mountain and you're wondering like you 2357 01:36:34,010 --> 01:36:32,100 know what's he doing up there and then 2358 01:36:36,140 --> 01:36:34,020 and then all of a sudden you just see 2359 01:36:38,300 --> 01:36:36,150 the whole sky just light up and pulsate 2360 01:36:40,370 --> 01:36:38,310 orange and then above it you can see 2361 01:36:42,110 --> 01:36:40,380 this white and almost looks like a 2362 01:36:44,270 --> 01:36:42,120 doorway like a white beam and it's it's 2363 01:36:46,220 --> 01:36:44,280 the thing that for decades people have 2364 01:36:47,629 --> 01:36:46,230 been seeing and and to think that we 2365 01:36:49,729 --> 01:36:47,639 actually saw and it happened numerous 2366 01:36:53,060 --> 01:36:49,739 times and worldís salmon like what in 2367 01:36:54,950 --> 01:36:53,070 the world is going on where are we right 2368 01:36:57,919 --> 01:36:54,960 and I know you know Daniel got so 2369 01:36:59,899 --> 01:36:57,929 excited he freakin booked it to try to 2370 01:37:01,129 --> 01:36:59,909 get up the mountain range to see what 2371 01:37:03,649 --> 01:37:01,139 was on the other side because as a 2372 01:37:03,950 --> 01:37:03,659 viewer that's immediately where my mind 2373 01:37:05,660 --> 01:37:03,960 went 2374 01:37:09,070 --> 01:37:05,670 I usually what what's on the other side 2375 01:37:11,629 --> 01:37:09,080 is there like a huge building or a 2376 01:37:13,850 --> 01:37:11,639 something but I mean you guys were in 2377 01:37:18,290 --> 01:37:13,860 the middle of nowhere so um is that 2378 01:37:20,240 --> 01:37:18,300 something we can easily you know push 2379 01:37:22,430 --> 01:37:20,250 away that that's what it was like lights 2380 01:37:23,870 --> 01:37:22,440 coming from a building about nice no not 2381 01:37:25,459 --> 01:37:23,880 at all and then I kind of give you a 2382 01:37:25,879 --> 01:37:25,469 little bit of a backstory to this okay 2383 01:37:28,790 --> 01:37:25,889 cool 2384 01:37:31,610 --> 01:37:28,800 the the directors were basically saying 2385 01:37:33,200 --> 01:37:31,620 the showman are saying okay we have to 2386 01:37:34,790 --> 01:37:33,210 you know travel channel told you know 2387 01:37:37,129 --> 01:37:34,800 told us that we have to do at least a 2388 01:37:40,850 --> 01:37:37,139 couple of night investigations even 2389 01:37:42,169 --> 01:37:40,860 those -10° I was like but that's okay 2390 01:37:46,550 --> 01:37:42,179 that's where investigators that's what 2391 01:37:48,439 --> 01:37:46,560 we do and and so we were supposed to do 2392 01:37:52,220 --> 01:37:48,449 a night investigation at the crossroads 2393 01:37:55,310 --> 01:37:52,230 where where this was seen right and I'm 2394 01:37:57,200 --> 01:37:55,320 and I'm thinking no because we 2395 01:38:00,020 --> 01:37:57,210 interviewed a couple of people at 2396 01:38:03,080 --> 01:38:00,030 the graveyard that had a paranormal 2397 01:38:04,490 --> 01:38:03,090 experience creature experience and yeah 2398 01:38:06,729 --> 01:38:04,500 and there was all kinds of stuff 2399 01:38:09,470 --> 01:38:06,739 happening there and as it turns out 2400 01:38:12,020 --> 01:38:09,480 skinwalker ranch is here the graveyard 2401 01:38:13,580 --> 01:38:12,030 is here the crossroads is over here this 2402 01:38:16,459 --> 01:38:13,590 is the middle something's going back and 2403 01:38:18,050 --> 01:38:16,469 forth or we might capture it there and 2404 01:38:20,360 --> 01:38:18,060 we went back and forth and back and 2405 01:38:22,640 --> 01:38:20,370 forth and Daniel and I we you know we 2406 01:38:24,800 --> 01:38:22,650 stuck to our guns so to speak we didn't 2407 01:38:28,520 --> 01:38:24,810 pull any guns on him we just stuck to 2408 01:38:31,459 --> 01:38:28,530 our guns and and we said no no we we 2409 01:38:33,050 --> 01:38:31,469 need to to be at the cemetery I just 2410 01:38:36,560 --> 01:38:33,060 have this feeling that something's going 2411 01:38:41,360 --> 01:38:36,570 to happen there that night and my gosh 2412 01:38:42,830 --> 01:38:41,370 you know we were there and and and kudos 2413 01:38:43,790 --> 01:38:42,840 to the production crew because once you 2414 01:38:46,570 --> 01:38:43,800 got through they kind of figured out 2415 01:38:49,040 --> 01:38:46,580 where to what we're gonna do I mean 2416 01:38:51,709 --> 01:38:49,050 Heather of course I mean we picked up 2417 01:38:53,810 --> 01:38:51,719 EVPs and agree to our death that boy 2418 01:38:55,760 --> 01:38:53,820 that's harbors area and we had a sound 2419 01:38:57,050 --> 01:38:55,770 person with her you know with his 2420 01:38:59,870 --> 01:38:57,060 high-tech stuff to see if he could pick 2421 01:39:02,209 --> 01:38:59,880 up anything I'm over by the fence where 2422 01:39:04,580 --> 01:39:02,219 something came through the fence base 2423 01:39:08,060 --> 01:39:04,590 and eyewitnesses we put Daniel up on the 2424 01:39:10,700 --> 01:39:08,070 ridge with Neil again poor Neil oh and 2425 01:39:12,320 --> 01:39:10,710 in case anything happens he's our 2426 01:39:15,920 --> 01:39:12,330 lookout he's gonna see if anything's 2427 01:39:20,270 --> 01:39:15,930 coming in towards us and as it turns out 2428 01:39:23,240 --> 01:39:20,280 everything was happening you know um he 2429 01:39:25,370 --> 01:39:23,250 saw he saw a shadow or some type of 2430 01:39:27,020 --> 01:39:25,380 figure coming in I'm talking him too you 2431 01:39:29,000 --> 01:39:27,030 know over the to wait because I don't 2432 01:39:31,459 --> 01:39:29,010 know that could be a guy I don't know 2433 01:39:33,830 --> 01:39:31,469 maybe I don't know it's coming in and 2434 01:39:35,030 --> 01:39:33,840 and then of course Neil's got a really 2435 01:39:36,920 --> 01:39:35,040 expensive camera 2436 01:39:39,800 --> 01:39:36,930 Daniel is using my $500 night-vision 2437 01:39:42,650 --> 01:39:39,810 camera right so you know Neil really 2438 01:39:47,240 --> 01:39:42,660 captured what was going on and then and 2439 01:39:50,690 --> 01:39:47,250 then the light coming up and I we know 2440 01:39:52,459 --> 01:39:50,700 we know that that area that they not 2441 01:39:54,380 --> 01:39:52,469 that general area but way off the 2442 01:39:57,410 --> 01:39:54,390 distance of miles away off the distance 2443 01:40:02,780 --> 01:39:57,420 that they're drilling oil and sometimes 2444 01:40:05,510 --> 01:40:02,790 they they they have a methanol burst and 2445 01:40:07,610 --> 01:40:05,520 so they burn the methanol and that glows 2446 01:40:10,130 --> 01:40:07,620 and that's the first thing I thought 2447 01:40:11,150 --> 01:40:10,140 meaning in my mind but that I knew that 2448 01:40:12,890 --> 01:40:11,160 area was worth 2449 01:40:15,050 --> 01:40:12,900 skinwalker ranch was and we were just 2450 01:40:16,670 --> 01:40:15,060 there the day before the day before that 2451 01:40:18,710 --> 01:40:16,680 and there was no oil drilling around 2452 01:40:21,740 --> 01:40:18,720 that area but it was the beam of light 2453 01:40:24,620 --> 01:40:21,750 that was coming up through them now if 2454 01:40:26,930 --> 01:40:24,630 it was just boiling off from some 2455 01:40:30,110 --> 01:40:26,940 methane you wouldn't have that beam of 2456 01:40:31,760 --> 01:40:30,120 light and I'm looking at it not talking 2457 01:40:35,600 --> 01:40:31,770 to Heather and she's looking at it and 2458 01:40:37,580 --> 01:40:35,610 everybody sees it and it's like what the 2459 01:40:40,670 --> 01:40:37,590 heck is that it doesn't make sense 2460 01:40:42,620 --> 01:40:40,680 all of a sudden you know my debunking 2461 01:40:44,570 --> 01:40:42,630 tools they're like I kinda booked it 2462 01:40:46,460 --> 01:40:44,580 because it's that's not blowing off 2463 01:40:47,600 --> 01:40:46,470 nothing yeah well you wouldn't have that 2464 01:40:51,950 --> 01:40:47,610 beam alight what the hell's going on 2465 01:40:54,080 --> 01:40:51,960 yeah you're in a situation like that 2466 01:40:55,550 --> 01:40:54,090 you're immediately thrilled but at the 2467 01:40:56,930 --> 01:40:55,560 same time there's no where it's like 2468 01:41:00,200 --> 01:40:56,940 there's nothing they're just like what 2469 01:41:02,360 --> 01:41:00,210 am I seeing like it was bizarre and also 2470 01:41:04,670 --> 01:41:02,370 to mention you know we forgot to include 2471 01:41:08,840 --> 01:41:04,680 that I was standing there with this 2472 01:41:11,480 --> 01:41:08,850 animal caller and I got so loud that Dan 2473 01:41:13,130 --> 01:41:11,490 was up on this mountaintop and he he 2474 01:41:14,600 --> 01:41:13,140 could hear it and it was echoing off the 2475 01:41:16,370 --> 01:41:14,610 mountain he thought it was like right 2476 01:41:18,410 --> 01:41:16,380 behind him so I had to turn it down but 2477 01:41:21,410 --> 01:41:18,420 I mean I remember doing that right 2478 01:41:23,630 --> 01:41:21,420 before we heard the growl picked up in 2479 01:41:27,560 --> 01:41:23,640 the microphone so the wolf coming you 2480 01:41:32,540 --> 01:41:27,570 could have been answering your yeah yeah 2481 01:41:33,770 --> 01:41:32,550 yeah you can the pranks yeah I uh get 2482 01:41:37,040 --> 01:41:33,780 myself in this situation 2483 01:41:39,500 --> 01:41:37,050 yeah right for as investigators which is 2484 01:41:43,040 --> 01:41:39,510 really cool because you know you you 2485 01:41:45,860 --> 01:41:43,050 watch these shows on TV and and they see 2486 01:41:47,300 --> 01:41:45,870 something and they go UFO or vesicles or 2487 01:41:49,520 --> 01:41:47,310 this is that for that is that you know 2488 01:41:50,900 --> 01:41:49,530 do and without sitting there thinking 2489 01:41:53,300 --> 01:41:50,910 you're trying to debunk what they're 2490 01:41:55,310 --> 01:41:53,310 thinking you're trying to explain you're 2491 01:41:57,590 --> 01:41:55,320 trying to figure out and I think at that 2492 01:42:00,860 --> 01:41:57,600 particular time especially with with the 2493 01:42:03,260 --> 01:42:00,870 wolf and and then even the the figure we 2494 01:42:05,300 --> 01:42:03,270 saw Tonopah the lights we saw in 2495 01:42:08,600 --> 01:42:05,310 Missouri that's all real time stuff 2496 01:42:10,940 --> 01:42:08,610 happening to us and and it's like we're 2497 01:42:13,340 --> 01:42:10,950 trying to figure out what it is we're on 2498 01:42:15,320 --> 01:42:13,350 camera you know we're both professional 2499 01:42:18,280 --> 01:42:15,330 investigators we want to be the first to 2500 01:42:20,630 --> 01:42:18,290 say no that's not what we think it is 2501 01:42:23,120 --> 01:42:20,640 now we did the book a couple of Lights 2502 01:42:25,040 --> 01:42:23,130 in Missouri that that you know that the 2503 01:42:26,600 --> 01:42:25,050 witness was seeing that they reports 2504 01:42:29,510 --> 01:42:26,610 it's often disis but it turned out that 2505 01:42:32,450 --> 01:42:29,520 he had no PTSD and everything was 2506 01:42:35,060 --> 01:42:32,460 happening to him but we give these 2507 01:42:36,560 --> 01:42:35,070 situations you try to debunk it man and 2508 01:42:39,170 --> 01:42:36,570 like what Heather saying we're just like 2509 01:42:41,690 --> 01:42:39,180 you know try to figure out what the 2510 01:42:47,020 --> 01:42:41,700 heck's going on and the best part is is 2511 01:42:50,030 --> 01:42:47,030 we're filming it you know cameras - yeah 2512 01:42:50,500 --> 01:42:50,040 we got two cameras on it you know these 2513 01:42:54,020 --> 01:42:50,510 sights 2514 01:42:56,330 --> 01:42:54,030 well three cloody mind but you know and 2515 01:42:58,340 --> 01:42:56,340 in Daniels upon on the ridge which is 2516 01:43:00,680 --> 01:42:58,350 perfect because I've come I'm on a 2517 01:43:01,700 --> 01:43:00,690 talking with Daniel going dad yeah get 2518 01:43:03,800 --> 01:43:01,710 over to find out where that lights 2519 01:43:08,740 --> 01:43:03,810 coming from and he's hightailing it at 2520 01:43:11,270 --> 01:43:08,750 night late at night running on top of it 2521 01:43:13,550 --> 01:43:11,280 has no idea what he's gonna see on the 2522 01:43:15,670 --> 01:43:13,560 other side crying - trying to find out 2523 01:43:20,570 --> 01:43:15,680 what it is and then the light goes out 2524 01:43:24,620 --> 01:43:20,580 yeah yeah you know if and methane burn 2525 01:43:27,410 --> 01:43:24,630 offs glow for a long long time yeah 2526 01:43:30,440 --> 01:43:27,420 they're they're just that so we know 2527 01:43:32,420 --> 01:43:30,450 something's going on there and and not 2528 01:43:35,270 --> 01:43:32,430 only at the ranch but outside the ranch 2529 01:43:37,790 --> 01:43:35,280 - and oh yeah I'm the first one you know 2530 01:43:39,050 --> 01:43:37,800 that wants to go back after I mean you 2531 01:43:42,070 --> 01:43:39,060 can ask Heather a question but I have a 2532 01:43:44,690 --> 01:43:42,080 follow-up that I'd like to back story 2533 01:43:47,270 --> 01:43:44,700 but I don't like take care Stein Oh in 2534 01:43:48,680 --> 01:43:47,280 terms of skinwalker yeah yeah cool I 2535 01:43:51,020 --> 01:43:48,690 mean Heather my only other question I 2536 01:43:53,090 --> 01:43:51,030 guess for skinwalkers um you know where 2537 01:43:55,970 --> 01:43:53,100 your paranormal investigative skills 2538 01:43:57,500 --> 01:43:55,980 came in I mean you had a graveyard right 2539 01:43:59,300 --> 01:43:57,510 in the middle of the ranch so like what 2540 01:44:01,550 --> 01:43:59,310 was it like I mean this isn't your 2541 01:44:03,230 --> 01:44:01,560 typical graveyard or haunted house I 2542 01:44:06,170 --> 01:44:03,240 would say you're in like a living 2543 01:44:08,030 --> 01:44:06,180 laboratory of weirdness so like how do 2544 01:44:10,310 --> 01:44:08,040 you how do you deal with something like 2545 01:44:13,100 --> 01:44:10,320 that yeah I mean I got the best of both 2546 01:44:15,140 --> 01:44:13,110 worlds being being out there um I mean I 2547 01:44:17,510 --> 01:44:15,150 don't know it's just you're you just get 2548 01:44:20,690 --> 01:44:17,520 so in the moment it just there's no 2549 01:44:22,100 --> 01:44:20,700 thinking you just go for it so I don't 2550 01:44:24,530 --> 01:44:22,110 even know I don't know how to answer 2551 01:44:26,390 --> 01:44:24,540 that yeah cuz you never know what's 2552 01:44:28,310 --> 01:44:26,400 gonna happen in this field it's just 2553 01:44:29,870 --> 01:44:28,320 things happen and you're wondering did I 2554 01:44:32,920 --> 01:44:29,880 catch that on camera please tell me I 2555 01:44:36,470 --> 01:44:32,930 caught that that is the most Vienna 2556 01:44:38,990 --> 01:44:36,480 though yeah about that graveyard which 2557 01:44:41,930 --> 01:44:39,000 is it's cool it's it's a 2558 01:44:46,640 --> 01:44:41,940 unity graveyard you don't need a permit 2559 01:44:48,830 --> 01:44:46,650 for basically you really don't know who 2560 01:44:50,420 --> 01:44:48,840 is buried there it's for people like a 2561 01:44:53,000 --> 01:44:50,430 you know I think it's it's actually on 2562 01:44:56,090 --> 01:44:53,010 Indian Indian Reservation land too but 2563 01:44:57,830 --> 01:44:56,100 it's a community graveyard work you know 2564 01:45:01,670 --> 01:44:57,840 someone passes away the family just 2565 01:45:06,470 --> 01:45:01,680 buries them and so who knows was going 2566 01:45:09,050 --> 01:45:06,480 on there but um the oh she was gonna 2567 01:45:14,630 --> 01:45:09,060 talk about it back story now I just just 2568 01:45:18,590 --> 01:45:14,640 oh my gosh love the money oh no man hey 2569 01:45:21,500 --> 01:45:18,600 there's so much okay now are you oh 2570 01:45:28,160 --> 01:45:21,510 let's do it please with what heather was 2571 01:45:30,680 --> 01:45:28,170 saying is work well together and she our 2572 01:45:33,010 --> 01:45:30,690 game cameras caught stuff or gave camera 2573 01:45:38,600 --> 01:45:33,020 oh my god picked up a conversation oh 2574 01:45:40,220 --> 01:45:38,610 that's right in the sack I forgot about 2575 01:45:43,310 --> 01:45:40,230 that there's just so much that it 2576 01:45:46,730 --> 01:45:43,320 happens that we are we got more stuff in 2577 01:45:49,010 --> 01:45:46,740 one episode then those hunters and yeah 2578 01:45:51,070 --> 01:45:49,020 those adventures no offense to them have 2579 01:45:53,570 --> 01:45:51,080 you had up to two or three episodes and 2580 01:45:55,430 --> 01:45:53,580 yet we have so much stuff which we 2581 01:45:57,260 --> 01:45:55,440 couldn't put it no offense to Zakhar 2582 01:46:00,290 --> 01:45:57,270 those guys because I was on Ghost 2583 01:46:01,610 --> 01:46:00,300 Adventures once the ones that comin 2584 01:46:05,630 --> 01:46:01,620 after me because he pretty much owns 2585 01:46:08,840 --> 01:46:05,640 travel channels but but we got the 2586 01:46:11,510 --> 01:46:08,850 opportunity and I to meet a Native 2587 01:46:14,630 --> 01:46:11,520 American Helmer ute elder and I 2588 01:46:15,590 --> 01:46:14,640 interviewed a monk on camera but that 2589 01:46:17,000 --> 01:46:15,600 didn't make it on the show 2590 01:46:18,590 --> 01:46:17,010 it's just too much going on you only 2591 01:46:20,210 --> 01:46:18,600 have forty to forty six minutes or 2592 01:46:23,780 --> 01:46:20,220 whatever right and we've probably shot 2593 01:46:24,920 --> 01:46:23,790 fifteen hours but the thing is is I got 2594 01:46:26,990 --> 01:46:24,930 this opportunity to meet this Native 2595 01:46:29,180 --> 01:46:27,000 American elder and talk to him about 2596 01:46:32,210 --> 01:46:29,190 real stuff now we talked off camera 2597 01:46:35,330 --> 01:46:32,220 first about what he can say and what he 2598 01:46:37,790 --> 01:46:35,340 can't see because he is under the 2599 01:46:40,610 --> 01:46:37,800 permission of the Youth Council to be 2600 01:46:42,680 --> 01:46:40,620 able to speak with us okay and you can 2601 01:46:46,370 --> 01:46:42,690 and he basically for certain things that 2602 01:46:50,900 --> 01:46:46,380 you can't talk about and then neolution 2603 01:46:52,959 --> 01:46:50,910 skinwalker you don't can't use name 2604 01:46:56,550 --> 01:46:52,969 pretty much because that's invite 2605 01:46:59,530 --> 01:46:56,560 skinwalker and that they don't like that 2606 01:47:00,130 --> 01:46:59,540 Nalu she is the the Navajo name for 2607 01:47:02,530 --> 01:47:00,140 skinwalker 2608 01:47:04,600 --> 01:47:02,540 I know I'm mispronouncing you so I 2609 01:47:07,300 --> 01:47:04,610 apologize to anybody speaks Navajo 2610 01:47:11,979 --> 01:47:07,310 author but so I'm talking to him I said 2611 01:47:13,630 --> 01:47:11,989 so we know that there's a name a Native 2612 01:47:15,580 --> 01:47:13,640 American name for Bigfoot Sasquatch or 2613 01:47:17,140 --> 01:47:15,590 there's other names too and do you have 2614 01:47:18,729 --> 01:47:17,150 it as a you tried to have a name for 2615 01:47:20,860 --> 01:47:18,739 Bigfoot because Bigfoot's been seen in 2616 01:47:24,760 --> 01:47:20,870 that area too and he goes yeah as part 2617 01:47:26,890 --> 01:47:24,770 of that you know I go what about UFOs do 2618 01:47:31,180 --> 01:47:26,900 you does that you tried to have a name 2619 01:47:33,760 --> 01:47:31,190 for UFOs he goes yeah no that's really 2620 01:47:35,770 --> 01:47:33,770 interesting I'm like what about grey 2621 01:47:41,020 --> 01:47:35,780 aliens he goes yeah it spun it up I'm 2622 01:47:44,500 --> 01:47:41,030 going what that you tribe has got you 2623 01:47:46,479 --> 01:47:44,510 named for a grey alien not just aliens 2624 01:47:49,840 --> 01:47:46,489 before specific grey alien because yeah 2625 01:47:50,350 --> 01:47:49,850 and he goes I can't talk about that on 2626 01:47:54,070 --> 01:47:50,360 camera 2627 01:47:56,260 --> 01:47:54,080 mm-hmm I said well I just I'm just like 2628 01:47:58,750 --> 01:47:56,270 totally fascinated with this now I go 2629 01:48:02,380 --> 01:47:58,760 how how old is that name goes on 2630 01:48:05,220 --> 01:48:02,390 generations I'm going so the you tribe 2631 01:48:07,959 --> 01:48:05,230 has got a name for a grey alien that's 2632 01:48:14,650 --> 01:48:07,969 been passed through generations and he 2633 01:48:20,709 --> 01:48:14,660 goes yeah I'm going do you remember his 2634 01:48:23,320 --> 01:48:20,719 experience he he saw a UFO and um it 2635 01:48:25,479 --> 01:48:23,330 emitted this red light and for two weeks 2636 01:48:27,850 --> 01:48:25,489 after he saw it he felt the sensation of 2637 01:48:29,979 --> 01:48:27,860 electricity going throughout his body do 2638 01:48:31,360 --> 01:48:29,989 you remember that yeah and he also he 2639 01:48:35,350 --> 01:48:31,370 also talked about there was a Bigfoot 2640 01:48:37,900 --> 01:48:35,360 sighting in the same area too and but 2641 01:48:39,250 --> 01:48:37,910 for the for the Native Americans least 2642 01:48:42,040 --> 01:48:39,260 the ones that I've talked to Apaches 2643 01:48:43,689 --> 01:48:42,050 Navajos use well it's no big deal to 2644 01:48:46,120 --> 01:48:43,699 them to talk about UFOs 2645 01:48:48,959 --> 01:48:46,130 two weeks three weeks to three weeks ago 2646 01:48:51,910 --> 01:48:48,969 I got this email from a Native American 2647 01:48:53,439 --> 01:48:51,920 investigator UFO investigator this was a 2648 01:48:56,890 --> 01:48:53,449 second time in the past couple years 2649 01:48:59,470 --> 01:48:56,900 I've got this type of sighting we're 2650 01:49:03,520 --> 01:48:59,480 talking I don't want say Mothman but 2651 01:49:05,350 --> 01:49:03,530 it's a it's a winged hybrid and this was 2652 01:49:06,580 --> 01:49:05,360 a New Mexico second time that's the same 2653 01:49:07,690 --> 01:49:06,590 reservation different ones so 2654 01:49:10,090 --> 01:49:07,700 there's something flying around out 2655 01:49:12,160 --> 01:49:10,100 there too that's that's scary 2656 01:49:14,680 --> 01:49:12,170 that's so you know doing UFO 2657 01:49:17,770 --> 01:49:14,690 investigations it's a plan you know we 2658 01:49:20,590 --> 01:49:17,780 deal in UFOs paranormal creatures all 2659 01:49:22,500 --> 01:49:20,600 kinds of stuff you know you got to watch 2660 01:49:25,810 --> 01:49:22,510 your back because you really don't know 2661 01:49:27,280 --> 01:49:25,820 what's out there you know and and I'm 2662 01:49:29,440 --> 01:49:27,290 not knocking parent you know ghost 2663 01:49:31,750 --> 01:49:29,450 investigations because I mean no there's 2664 01:49:33,040 --> 01:49:31,760 there's you know evil apparitions and 2665 01:49:34,900 --> 01:49:33,050 demons and all kinds of stuff that they 2666 01:49:37,900 --> 01:49:34,910 could knock you down off a stairs and 2667 01:49:43,270 --> 01:49:37,910 stuff but I don't want to be picked up 2668 01:49:44,710 --> 01:49:43,280 Anita no that's a good point I think 2669 01:49:46,810 --> 01:49:44,720 what people have to keep in mind is yeah 2670 01:49:49,660 --> 01:49:46,820 I mean these shows they have to be 2671 01:49:51,670 --> 01:49:49,670 structured or scripted to an extent I 2672 01:49:53,890 --> 01:49:51,680 mean that's television but at the same 2673 01:49:56,890 --> 01:49:53,900 time like there's no guarantee that you 2674 01:49:59,380 --> 01:49:56,900 guys are 100% safe when you're going 2675 01:50:02,980 --> 01:49:59,390 into these investigations I mean Daniel 2676 01:50:04,480 --> 01:50:02,990 running over a you know a Mountie in the 2677 01:50:07,450 --> 01:50:04,490 middle of the night like anything could 2678 01:50:09,370 --> 01:50:07,460 happen or something could attack you 2679 01:50:11,710 --> 01:50:09,380 guys there's predators everywhere your 2680 01:50:14,620 --> 01:50:11,720 skinwalker ranch so that's interesting 2681 01:50:17,080 --> 01:50:14,630 another another quick backstory the very 2682 01:50:21,940 --> 01:50:17,090 first time we were with the production 2683 01:50:23,620 --> 01:50:21,950 crew Daniel 9 because I'm a former 2684 01:50:27,390 --> 01:50:23,630 reserve deputy for eight years and 2685 01:50:29,590 --> 01:50:27,400 Daniel the time was a full full time the 2686 01:50:30,700 --> 01:50:29,600 peace officer I don't really want to say 2687 01:50:33,610 --> 01:50:30,710 what district he's worth there were 2688 01:50:35,140 --> 01:50:33,620 anybody but so we both have law 2689 01:50:37,000 --> 01:50:35,150 enforcement Daniel a lot more 2690 01:50:41,680 --> 01:50:37,010 experienced than me because he was 2691 01:50:43,860 --> 01:50:41,690 active and and so before before we even 2692 01:50:46,570 --> 01:50:43,870 started shooting the very first episode 2693 01:50:48,100 --> 01:50:46,580 it was really funny we put the law down 2694 01:50:50,620 --> 01:50:48,110 we basically stood in front of the whole 2695 01:50:52,000 --> 01:50:50,630 production company says ok we know we 2696 01:50:55,030 --> 01:50:52,010 have a director - showrunner here but 2697 01:50:56,680 --> 01:50:55,040 anything happens you know anything out 2698 01:50:58,930 --> 01:50:56,690 of the norm anything that happens that 2699 01:51:01,510 --> 01:50:58,940 kid that could cause harm or put 2700 01:51:04,470 --> 01:51:01,520 anybody's life so jeopardy Dan's on when 2701 01:51:07,240 --> 01:51:04,480 it's talking so were the ones in charge 2702 01:51:08,680 --> 01:51:07,250 and it is so funny to see that they're 2703 01:51:10,720 --> 01:51:08,690 wrecked in our sermon or look at us like 2704 01:51:12,820 --> 01:51:10,730 wait underwear charge no you're in fact 2705 01:51:14,620 --> 01:51:12,830 we're in charge the reason we're in 2706 01:51:17,380 --> 01:51:14,630 charge is because we're both caring 2707 01:51:19,150 --> 01:51:17,390 Daniel we're both carry conceals who 2708 01:51:20,350 --> 01:51:19,160 through every episode I didn't in 2709 01:51:22,510 --> 01:51:20,360 California because 2710 01:51:24,040 --> 01:51:22,520 concealed carry permit distance doesn't 2711 01:51:25,870 --> 01:51:24,050 acknowledge California but everybody 2712 01:51:27,760 --> 01:51:25,880 else so we're both carrying a full time 2713 01:51:31,300 --> 01:51:27,770 right yeah I know could because he's 2714 01:51:33,129 --> 01:51:31,310 full time and so we said because we can 2715 01:51:35,290 --> 01:51:33,139 protect you now there was a case in 2716 01:51:37,300 --> 01:51:35,300 Missouri you mentioned gunshots you're 2717 01:51:38,890 --> 01:51:37,310 his gunshots out there now it was a 2718 01:51:40,270 --> 01:51:38,900 couple houses down we were in the house 2719 01:51:42,129 --> 01:51:40,280 and there was some gunshots but the 2720 01:51:45,640 --> 01:51:42,139 gunshots were in the direction of where 2721 01:51:47,350 --> 01:51:45,650 we were going to be shooting and so then 2722 01:51:49,270 --> 01:51:47,360 felt compelled to come he goes you know 2723 01:51:51,669 --> 01:51:49,280 dad goes look we still we got to do 2724 01:51:53,260 --> 01:51:51,679 quick safety safety meeting real quick 2725 01:51:55,270 --> 01:51:53,270 before we go they're like oh you're in 2726 01:51:57,939 --> 01:51:55,280 charge of a gun and literally because 2727 01:52:01,300 --> 01:51:57,949 he's big and and so it says up this is a 2728 01:52:05,830 --> 01:52:01,310 deal when we're there and and we hear 2729 01:52:07,899 --> 01:52:05,840 you know shots fired we're in charge you 2730 01:52:09,490 --> 01:52:07,909 don't listen to anybody but us okay 2731 01:52:13,180 --> 01:52:09,500 because we're the only two that can 2732 01:52:14,859 --> 01:52:13,190 protect you and and then and we'll have 2733 01:52:16,240 --> 01:52:14,869 instructions for you of course dances 2734 01:52:18,189 --> 01:52:16,250 you know will tell you where you go 2735 01:52:21,040 --> 01:52:18,199 Craig and what he did when we got there 2736 01:52:22,780 --> 01:52:21,050 scope the whole area and and ahead of 2737 01:52:25,000 --> 01:52:22,790 time and then saw where the safe places 2738 01:52:26,770 --> 01:52:25,010 would be for the production crew because 2739 01:52:28,149 --> 01:52:26,780 not only as of investigators do we have 2740 01:52:29,560 --> 01:52:28,159 to protect yourself we have to protect 2741 01:52:31,600 --> 01:52:29,570 the people on our team we have to 2742 01:52:34,300 --> 01:52:31,610 protect you know the production crew now 2743 01:52:36,850 --> 01:52:34,310 too and so we were ready to rock and 2744 01:52:40,149 --> 01:52:36,860 roll and that happened in Tonopah that 2745 01:52:43,510 --> 01:52:40,159 happened and you know in Utah so you 2746 01:52:44,770 --> 01:52:43,520 know so um yeah so when you do UFO 2747 01:52:47,140 --> 01:52:44,780 investigations especially a field 2748 01:52:49,330 --> 01:52:47,150 investigator I don't go anywhere with 2749 01:52:52,359 --> 01:52:49,340 without carrying concealed like I got a 2750 01:52:54,040 --> 01:52:52,369 12-gauge with with slugs for any time I 2751 01:52:56,590 --> 01:52:54,050 do Bigfoot investigation it's not for 2752 01:52:58,419 --> 01:52:56,600 big you'll just piss them off and it's 2753 01:53:00,250 --> 01:52:58,429 for mountain lions and bears you know 2754 01:53:01,990 --> 01:53:00,260 not gonna shoot them basically unless 2755 01:53:05,350 --> 01:53:02,000 you're attacking me but I always carry 2756 01:53:10,899 --> 01:53:05,360 either a 45 or for you you know 380 or 2757 01:53:13,570 --> 01:53:10,909 something you know that's like the Boy 2758 01:53:16,419 --> 01:53:13,580 Scouts a mantra always be prepared 2759 01:53:21,070 --> 01:53:16,429 Heather just tell me the scary ghost 2760 01:53:22,870 --> 01:53:21,080 story yeah that'll do it well um so that 2761 01:53:25,840 --> 01:53:22,880 is that's all the episodes of the show's 2762 01:53:27,790 --> 01:53:25,850 guide guys but um we did have a couple 2763 01:53:31,600 --> 01:53:27,800 listener questions and these come from a 2764 01:53:34,229 --> 01:53:31,610 very special guest who sent these to me 2765 01:53:37,649 --> 01:53:34,239 so Heather I'm gonna hit you with this 2766 01:53:41,160 --> 01:53:37,659 this one reversed all right um let's see 2767 01:53:43,470 --> 01:53:41,170 here I guess this is for both of you 2768 01:53:46,319 --> 01:53:43,480 what were your guys favorite song to 2769 01:53:47,459 --> 01:53:46,329 sing with Dan while driving to the next 2770 01:53:49,830 --> 01:53:47,469 location 2771 01:53:51,959 --> 01:53:49,840 do you guys remember what the song was 2772 01:53:55,259 --> 01:53:51,969 because I know what it is it's the 2773 01:53:58,290 --> 01:53:55,269 rubberband man song isn't it think the 2774 01:54:01,910 --> 01:53:58,300 gang correct yeah good job guess who 2775 01:54:04,379 --> 01:54:01,920 that came from I would be from gamma 2776 01:54:06,839 --> 01:54:04,389 Daniel did reach out to me last night 2777 01:54:08,459 --> 01:54:06,849 and he sent in some questions I'm sorry 2778 01:54:11,520 --> 01:54:08,469 I didn't get him on here but he's been 2779 01:54:13,890 --> 01:54:11,530 commenting all night keeping up with us 2780 01:54:16,859 --> 01:54:13,900 in the commentary so Daniel thank you so 2781 01:54:18,419 --> 01:54:16,869 much for joining us man yeah you know 2782 01:54:21,209 --> 01:54:18,429 Aaron died everybody's got to remember 2783 01:54:22,080 --> 01:54:21,219 that Daniel is sitting at Fort Bliss 2784 01:54:26,040 --> 01:54:22,090 Texas 2785 01:54:28,080 --> 01:54:26,050 he's an MP for Colorado National Guard 2786 01:54:30,660 --> 01:54:28,090 and he was supposed to be deployed to 2787 01:54:32,970 --> 01:54:30,670 Afghanistan this year because of the 2788 01:54:35,970 --> 01:54:32,980 cold air crisis he's been sitting for 2789 01:54:36,959 --> 01:54:35,980 the pests above which my wife and I are 2790 01:54:38,879 --> 01:54:36,969 really happy that he's not in 2791 01:54:41,520 --> 01:54:38,889 Afghanistan but he you know he's sitting 2792 01:54:43,080 --> 01:54:41,530 there and they're hunkered down too so 2793 01:54:44,609 --> 01:54:43,090 you know they're going through the same 2794 01:54:47,839 --> 01:54:44,619 thing that civilians are going through 2795 01:54:50,970 --> 01:54:47,849 by not being able to you know you know 2796 01:54:52,790 --> 01:54:50,980 be with other people basically but you 2797 01:54:56,129 --> 01:54:52,800 know you gotta give them you know 2798 01:54:58,739 --> 01:54:56,139 good job yeah absolutely 2799 01:54:59,939 --> 01:54:58,749 yeah Daniel thank you so much man and 2800 01:55:02,970 --> 01:54:59,949 hey if you're looking for something to 2801 01:55:04,890 --> 01:55:02,980 do just watch um alien highway I know 2802 01:55:07,680 --> 01:55:04,900 it's available this stream so he can 2803 01:55:10,109 --> 01:55:07,690 re-watch everything that you guys all 2804 01:55:12,439 --> 01:55:10,119 did there and relive the memories um 2805 01:55:16,040 --> 01:55:12,449 there's another one for you Heather 2806 01:55:18,660 --> 01:55:16,050 this other unknown person wants to know 2807 01:55:22,290 --> 01:55:18,670 what was your favorite location that you 2808 01:55:24,180 --> 01:55:22,300 and Dan did an EVP session at do you 2809 01:55:26,580 --> 01:55:24,190 remember this not necessarily in the 2810 01:55:29,189 --> 01:55:26,590 show oh no I do remember this I'm just 2811 01:55:32,430 --> 01:55:29,199 trying to think of where it was oh my 2812 01:55:37,830 --> 01:55:32,440 gosh it was the the myth spa hotel boom 2813 01:55:39,600 --> 01:55:37,840 yeah you guys yeah yeah awesome 2814 01:55:41,669 --> 01:55:39,610 anything anything come of that that 2815 01:55:43,380 --> 01:55:41,679 you're willing to share with us um we 2816 01:55:46,950 --> 01:55:43,390 actually had the 2817 01:55:49,440 --> 01:55:46,960 kamme and we shined it towards the 2818 01:55:53,160 --> 01:55:49,450 bathroom and we did actually pick up a 2819 01:55:55,140 --> 01:55:53,170 shadow but we don't have the footage but 2820 01:55:56,940 --> 01:55:55,150 we did catch something you could see the 2821 01:55:59,430 --> 01:55:56,950 shadow of something standing in the 2822 01:56:01,350 --> 01:55:59,440 bathroom Oh interesting that's a little 2823 01:56:03,900 --> 01:56:01,360 creepy 2824 01:56:06,870 --> 01:56:03,910 all right well I've got you some closing 2825 01:56:08,430 --> 01:56:06,880 questions you know besides the show just 2826 01:56:11,760 --> 01:56:08,440 some stuff I wanted to personally ask 2827 01:56:15,780 --> 01:56:11,770 you guys oh I also want to add Daniel 2828 01:56:18,810 --> 01:56:15,790 did tell me what his most memorable you 2829 01:56:21,180 --> 01:56:18,820 know investigation or moment of evidence 2830 01:56:23,190 --> 01:56:21,190 was for him personally and I'm sure he 2831 01:56:25,170 --> 01:56:23,200 was would like to know this he said to 2832 01:56:28,110 --> 01:56:25,180 be honest the Missouri Awards were 2833 01:56:29,880 --> 01:56:28,120 actually that was it for him when we 2834 01:56:32,700 --> 01:56:29,890 interviewed Steve I thought he was full 2835 01:56:34,890 --> 01:56:32,710 of I've been to multiple interview 2836 01:56:37,470 --> 01:56:34,900 and interrogation courses as a cop and I 2837 01:56:39,540 --> 01:56:37,480 didn't believe in one bit but then when 2838 01:56:43,560 --> 01:56:39,550 I see red orbs and literally chase after 2839 01:56:45,210 --> 01:56:43,570 them and they disappear unreal being a 2840 01:56:46,800 --> 01:56:45,220 skeptic and seeing things I can't 2841 01:56:50,040 --> 01:56:46,810 explain is what made it really exciting 2842 01:56:51,810 --> 01:56:50,050 for me so that's cool hearing that from 2843 01:56:54,270 --> 01:56:51,820 you know probably the most skeptical 2844 01:56:57,120 --> 01:56:54,280 person on the show you know and as his 2845 01:56:59,070 --> 01:56:57,130 dad it was really a big moment for me 2846 01:57:02,370 --> 01:56:59,080 you know I remember the first time that 2847 01:57:04,220 --> 01:57:02,380 I saw the craft first time I saw balls 2848 01:57:06,960 --> 01:57:04,230 of light first time I saw Bigfoot 2849 01:57:10,530 --> 01:57:06,970 footprints in the snow you know that was 2850 01:57:16,260 --> 01:57:10,540 a big game changer for me and and to see 2851 01:57:18,120 --> 01:57:16,270 Dan yeah to see Dan's face and is just a 2852 01:57:20,310 --> 01:57:18,130 reflection of probably what my face 2853 01:57:22,680 --> 01:57:20,320 looked like when I experienced you know 2854 01:57:26,690 --> 01:57:22,690 those things for the first time too and 2855 01:57:30,990 --> 01:57:26,700 and I thought I am so sorry 2856 01:57:33,660 --> 01:57:31,000 no you're rude you're just like the rest 2857 01:57:37,050 --> 01:57:33,670 of us you know you guys you know yeah 2858 01:57:38,940 --> 01:57:37,060 you pulled them in oh and it was so 2859 01:57:41,670 --> 01:57:38,950 crazy there we had so much footage 2860 01:57:44,640 --> 01:57:41,680 actually footage on my own camera that I 2861 01:57:46,980 --> 01:57:44,650 released on the on my website there was 2862 01:57:49,290 --> 01:57:46,990 so much going on there dan literally 2863 01:57:52,680 --> 01:57:49,300 chased after it and there was a second 2864 01:57:55,110 --> 01:57:52,690 time of where where the light was was 2865 01:57:56,730 --> 01:57:55,120 moving like this and and Heather start 2866 01:57:58,800 --> 01:57:56,740 and this is we didn't 2867 01:58:00,540 --> 01:57:58,810 experiment I didn't make it on TV either 2868 01:58:02,010 --> 01:58:00,550 but we did another flashing light 2869 01:58:04,020 --> 01:58:02,020 experiment this time we use our 2870 01:58:05,970 --> 01:58:04,030 headlamps that we have on our farm you 2871 01:58:07,680 --> 01:58:05,980 know they have a strobe function so we 2872 01:58:09,570 --> 01:58:07,690 just held them in strobe it and it 2873 01:58:12,420 --> 01:58:09,580 turned off the strobe to see if anything 2874 01:58:14,430 --> 01:58:12,430 in a straight-up dislike so just like a 2875 01:58:16,890 --> 01:58:14,440 few minutes later so that experiment 2876 01:58:19,050 --> 01:58:16,900 worked and I have it on camera and hence 2877 01:58:23,610 --> 01:58:19,060 when I'm yelling at Heather Heather can 2878 01:58:26,880 --> 01:58:23,620 you see that I can see it dad takes off 2879 01:58:28,890 --> 01:58:26,890 running for I remember - I saw the first 2880 01:58:30,480 --> 01:58:28,900 light and I didn't say anything it was 2881 01:58:31,440 --> 01:58:30,490 like right mid tree line level I didn't 2882 01:58:33,300 --> 01:58:31,450 say anything cuz I was like what the 2883 01:58:35,160 --> 01:58:33,310 heck did I just see and then the second 2884 01:58:37,050 --> 01:58:35,170 one we all see it and then the third one 2885 01:58:39,240 --> 01:58:37,060 it's just like I I was really surprised 2886 01:58:41,130 --> 01:58:39,250 that didn't make the episode I like I 2887 01:58:42,690 --> 01:58:41,140 said there was there are so much stuff 2888 01:58:45,210 --> 01:58:42,700 and then my sister was there when she 2889 01:58:47,790 --> 01:58:45,220 was there before you know when the 2890 01:58:49,620 --> 01:58:47,800 investigation came to me and shot you 2891 01:58:52,080 --> 01:58:49,630 know she was using if anybody out there 2892 01:58:55,140 --> 01:58:52,090 what's a really good camera the psionics 2893 01:58:57,420 --> 01:58:55,150 camera though is a really good made by 2894 01:58:59,310 --> 01:58:57,430 Aurora not that I'm pitching it but they 2895 01:59:01,650 --> 01:58:59,320 just came out with a new Aurora pro I 2896 01:59:03,570 --> 01:59:01,660 spent more than February and sometime 2897 01:59:07,830 --> 01:59:03,580 this month or you know in May I'll get 2898 01:59:10,200 --> 01:59:07,840 it but it's a really great night vision 2899 01:59:11,580 --> 01:59:10,210 camera that uses a lot of starlight and 2900 01:59:14,160 --> 01:59:11,590 we are catching some really really good 2901 01:59:16,530 --> 01:59:14,170 stuff she sent me something just before 2902 01:59:19,890 --> 01:59:16,540 we showed up that these lights were 2903 01:59:22,500 --> 01:59:19,900 underwater and we're wondering so it's 2904 01:59:24,030 --> 01:59:22,510 just crazy that's it and I'm I just 2905 01:59:25,620 --> 01:59:24,040 talked to her you know a month or so ago 2906 01:59:28,110 --> 01:59:25,630 and there's still stuff going on there 2907 01:59:30,300 --> 01:59:28,120 so that that would be definitely if we 2908 01:59:31,800 --> 01:59:30,310 had a second season you know that would 2909 01:59:33,300 --> 01:59:31,810 definitely be a place we want to go back 2910 01:59:34,880 --> 01:59:33,310 to because oh there was a neighbor down 2911 01:59:36,900 --> 01:59:34,890 the street that had security cameras 2912 01:59:39,900 --> 01:59:36,910 that didn't make it on the show either 2913 01:59:43,880 --> 01:59:39,910 you can see the come down bar and go 2914 01:59:46,200 --> 01:59:43,890 around the barn they take off it's 2915 01:59:48,930 --> 01:59:46,210 that's amazing to me I mean you guys 2916 01:59:50,010 --> 01:59:48,940 it's like you had too much decadent yeah 2917 01:59:51,870 --> 01:59:50,020 they could have put it on the show 2918 01:59:53,880 --> 01:59:51,880 whereas most shows have the complete 2919 01:59:56,130 --> 01:59:53,890 opposite where they are to the point 2920 01:59:59,760 --> 01:59:56,140 where clearly there either fabricating 2921 02:00:02,190 --> 01:59:59,770 things or making something you know out 2922 02:00:04,260 --> 02:00:02,200 to be way more than it is but um I'll 2923 02:00:05,700 --> 02:00:04,270 add this one listener question here 2924 02:00:07,560 --> 02:00:05,710 Heather 2925 02:00:10,050 --> 02:00:07,570 Curt was at East SETI ranch a month 2926 02:00:10,530 --> 02:00:10,060 before you in 2008 anything interesting 2927 02:00:12,510 --> 02:00:10,540 have 2928 02:00:15,750 --> 02:00:12,520 you um when you were there this is a 2929 02:00:17,130 --> 02:00:15,760 really trippy place oh my gosh I this is 2930 02:00:19,560 --> 02:00:17,140 one place I've been wanting to get back 2931 02:00:21,720 --> 02:00:19,570 to I've been there twice and each time I 2932 02:00:23,790 --> 02:00:21,730 was there I had insane experiences but I 2933 02:00:25,800 --> 02:00:23,800 mean every night you would see these 2934 02:00:28,440 --> 02:00:25,810 lights and and it's really incredible 2935 02:00:30,750 --> 02:00:28,450 when you have we had software there that 2936 02:00:32,280 --> 02:00:30,760 was a satellite tracking program so we 2937 02:00:34,290 --> 02:00:32,290 could see you know what satellites were 2938 02:00:35,880 --> 02:00:34,300 going where in what direction but we 2939 02:00:38,430 --> 02:00:35,890 would see these lights that would just 2940 02:00:40,830 --> 02:00:38,440 cruise across the sky really slow then 2941 02:00:43,020 --> 02:00:40,840 they would stop we would shine these 2942 02:00:45,660 --> 02:00:43,030 high-powered military flashlights at 2943 02:00:47,970 --> 02:00:45,670 them whatever it was would blink back to 2944 02:00:50,010 --> 02:00:47,980 us keep on cruising through the sky and 2945 02:00:53,670 --> 02:00:50,020 then just zoom off and disappear and we 2946 02:00:55,500 --> 02:00:53,680 saw this multiple times and I mean to 2947 02:00:57,180 --> 02:00:55,510 this day I still I tell everybody that 2948 02:01:00,210 --> 02:00:57,190 they have to go they have to go there 2949 02:01:02,130 --> 02:01:00,220 and experience it yeah yeah I've been 2950 02:01:04,260 --> 02:01:02,140 meaning to get out there and I mean 2951 02:01:06,420 --> 02:01:04,270 again it's just one of these places 2952 02:01:08,670 --> 02:01:06,430 where there's so much so much 2953 02:01:11,880 --> 02:01:08,680 unexplained high strangeness occurring 2954 02:01:14,640 --> 02:01:11,890 that you can't deny it so yeah yeah I 2955 02:01:20,400 --> 02:01:14,650 did get those gonna be our second season 2956 02:01:22,530 --> 02:01:20,410 too : alright we should just do very 2957 02:01:24,150 --> 02:01:22,540 again yeah beat me to it man that's 2958 02:01:27,600 --> 02:01:24,160 gonna be my next question for you guys 2959 02:01:29,520 --> 02:01:27,610 I mean if given the opportunity to get 2960 02:01:32,250 --> 02:01:29,530 back out there go back on the alien 2961 02:01:33,990 --> 02:01:32,260 Highway what would you want to 2962 02:01:35,790 --> 02:01:34,000 investigate does anything really stick 2963 02:01:38,580 --> 02:01:35,800 out to you something that you really 2964 02:01:41,250 --> 02:01:38,590 feel you could bring you know break the 2965 02:01:43,020 --> 02:01:41,260 lid wide open on what will the thing the 2966 02:01:46,130 --> 02:01:43,030 thing with of the first season of alien 2967 02:01:50,160 --> 02:01:46,140 highway and I think what worked with 2968 02:01:53,790 --> 02:01:50,170 with what we captured is this were these 2969 02:01:55,080 --> 02:01:53,800 were cases that were happening now and 2970 02:01:57,030 --> 02:01:55,090 you know I've been in business long 2971 02:02:00,090 --> 02:01:57,040 enough that you know I've got contacts 2972 02:02:02,730 --> 02:02:00,100 all over at least the western side of us 2973 02:02:04,470 --> 02:02:02,740 and so I was hitting all my contacts out 2974 02:02:06,630 --> 02:02:04,480 before the you know while we're trying 2975 02:02:07,890 --> 02:02:06,640 to figure out what to do and saying 2976 02:02:10,050 --> 02:02:07,900 what's hot right now what's hot right 2977 02:02:12,210 --> 02:02:10,060 now I I don't want to investigate 2978 02:02:14,930 --> 02:02:12,220 something learn up I want to capture 2979 02:02:18,410 --> 02:02:14,940 something real time and we were so lucky 2980 02:02:21,330 --> 02:02:18,420 even you know even in the California one 2981 02:02:23,970 --> 02:02:21,340 that the episodes that were lined up 2982 02:02:24,569 --> 02:02:23,980 were episodes where steps have meaning 2983 02:02:27,299 --> 02:02:24,579 now 2984 02:02:30,629 --> 02:02:27,309 so to be able to answer that question I 2985 02:02:33,000 --> 02:02:30,639 can only answer it at the time they 2986 02:02:34,080 --> 02:02:33,010 forgot a second season because I'd be 2987 02:02:35,520 --> 02:02:34,090 out there putting the feelers and 2988 02:02:36,629 --> 02:02:35,530 finding out what's happened because who 2989 02:02:38,970 --> 02:02:36,639 knows where it could be 2990 02:02:42,569 --> 02:02:38,980 I know Missouri's hot right now I know a 2991 02:02:45,030 --> 02:02:42,579 part of Colorado Utah borders hot right 2992 02:02:47,370 --> 02:02:45,040 now up or northern Colorado is hot right 2993 02:02:50,010 --> 02:02:47,380 now Kansas I know a place in Kansas 2994 02:02:51,870 --> 02:02:50,020 that's hot I mean you know there's 2995 02:02:53,970 --> 02:02:51,880 places right now where I know that's 2996 02:02:56,970 --> 02:02:53,980 it's only because of my website people 2997 02:02:59,490 --> 02:02:56,980 emailing me they'll see alien highway or 2998 02:03:02,010 --> 02:02:59,500 they'll see cash even unexplained files 2999 02:03:04,350 --> 02:03:02,020 of season who I was on season one and 3000 02:03:07,069 --> 02:03:04,360 two but very briefly I've met on TV as 3001 02:03:10,169 --> 02:03:07,079 much as Heather I'm not that experienced 3002 02:03:13,890 --> 02:03:10,179 but but when I see that they make they 3003 02:03:16,049 --> 02:03:13,900 they they Google or search me and they 3004 02:03:17,580 --> 02:03:16,059 come to my website and I answer every 3005 02:03:18,959 --> 02:03:17,590 email because if they took the time to 3006 02:03:22,319 --> 02:03:18,969 email me I'm gonna take the time they 3007 02:03:24,060 --> 02:03:22,329 answer and it's sightings and then we've 3008 02:03:27,299 --> 02:03:24,070 got oh my gosh 3009 02:03:30,080 --> 02:03:27,309 do you know Heather we have at least two 3010 02:03:33,089 --> 02:03:30,090 seasons two more seasons worth of 3011 02:03:35,459 --> 02:03:33,099 investigations we can do yeah are the 3012 02:03:38,010 --> 02:03:35,469 sighting reports that came in from after 3013 02:03:42,419 --> 02:03:38,020 the show and that the production company 3014 02:03:44,399 --> 02:03:42,429 and I've got probably at least 20 or 25 3015 02:03:47,010 --> 02:03:44,409 that I saved that are really good ones 3016 02:03:47,580 --> 02:03:47,020 just you know here I have a collection 3017 02:03:50,580 --> 02:03:47,590 too 3018 02:03:53,370 --> 02:03:50,590 it's just it's crazy I mean if did you 3019 02:03:54,569 --> 02:03:53,380 know anyone getting their phenomena 3020 02:03:56,609 --> 02:03:54,579 would be really great cuz I know their 3021 02:03:58,169 --> 02:03:56,619 government kind of backs it up it's so 3022 02:04:01,620 --> 02:03:58,179 they're real serious about it so um 3023 02:04:05,160 --> 02:04:01,630 those are three that stick out to me our 3024 02:04:06,720 --> 02:04:05,170 note right now yeah I'll tell you why 3025 02:04:10,620 --> 02:04:06,730 because my wife and I were headed 3026 02:04:14,069 --> 02:04:10,630 towards London this Saturday work ah my 3027 02:04:16,530 --> 02:04:14,079 birthday is on Cinco DeMayo and we had 3028 02:04:18,600 --> 02:04:16,540 the trip already set up to be in Paris 3029 02:04:22,350 --> 02:04:18,610 on her birthday next Tuesday man that's 3030 02:04:24,660 --> 02:04:22,360 a bummer yeah this um this global crisis 3031 02:04:26,339 --> 02:04:24,670 is really throwing a wrench and do a lot 3032 02:04:28,020 --> 02:04:26,349 of things I know you know most 3033 02:04:30,780 --> 02:04:28,030 conferences have been canceled this 3034 02:04:32,879 --> 02:04:30,790 entire year on them sporting events 3035 02:04:35,879 --> 02:04:32,889 concerts it's an interesting time we're 3036 02:04:38,459 --> 02:04:35,889 living in but you know at least we have 3037 02:04:41,939 --> 02:04:38,469 the luxury of going to watch 3038 02:04:47,700 --> 02:04:41,949 the entire series of alien highway again 3039 02:04:51,450 --> 02:04:47,710 and yes what yeah absolutely sorry this 3040 02:04:54,090 --> 02:04:51,460 is cool I mean that like it was a huge 3041 02:04:56,790 --> 02:04:54,100 like experiment tonight to see how it 3042 02:04:58,620 --> 02:04:56,800 went and I think it went really well I'm 3043 02:05:00,870 --> 02:04:58,630 so happy that you guys were able to do 3044 02:05:05,100 --> 02:05:00,880 this um I got to ask you before we kind 3045 02:05:07,380 --> 02:05:05,110 of wrap up here this whole new age we 3046 02:05:09,479 --> 02:05:07,390 live in with UFO I guess quote-unquote 3047 02:05:11,700 --> 02:05:09,489 disclosure you know we have this New 3048 02:05:15,930 --> 02:05:11,710 York Times article that came out the 3049 02:05:18,390 --> 02:05:15,940 Navy videos and like seemingly the topic 3050 02:05:20,910 --> 02:05:18,400 went mainstream which a lot of us 3051 02:05:23,130 --> 02:05:20,920 weren't used to we were used to being in 3052 02:05:23,850 --> 02:05:23,140 this quote-unquote fringe community for 3053 02:05:25,820 --> 02:05:23,860 so long 3054 02:05:29,189 --> 02:05:25,830 preaching to the choir but now we have a 3055 02:05:33,180 --> 02:05:29,199 world audience listening to a lot of us 3056 02:05:35,490 --> 02:05:33,190 so what do you think are we moving or 3057 02:05:37,620 --> 02:05:35,500 inching closer to something you two 3058 02:05:41,010 --> 02:05:37,630 would personally consider disclosure is 3059 02:05:44,340 --> 02:05:41,020 there is that even a thing um what do 3060 02:05:45,900 --> 02:05:44,350 you make of UFOs I guess in 2020 I'll 3061 02:05:49,260 --> 02:05:45,910 let Heather go first cuz I wrote a blog 3062 02:05:51,390 --> 02:05:49,270 on this I think it's really wonderful 3063 02:05:53,280 --> 02:05:51,400 because it's opening the subject up to 3064 02:05:55,050 --> 02:05:53,290 so many different kinds of people and 3065 02:05:57,689 --> 02:05:55,060 being that you know we're all in 3066 02:05:59,490 --> 02:05:57,699 quarantine right now does that mean more 3067 02:06:01,410 --> 02:05:59,500 people are going outside in their yards 3068 02:06:03,060 --> 02:06:01,420 and looking up at the sky you know our 3069 02:06:06,270 --> 02:06:03,070 sightings increasing are people becoming 3070 02:06:07,979 --> 02:06:06,280 more aware of things in the sky but I 3071 02:06:09,300 --> 02:06:07,989 mean I just think it's great that people 3072 02:06:11,430 --> 02:06:09,310 are talking about you know maybe we'll 3073 02:06:14,070 --> 02:06:11,440 see more footage and you know people 3074 02:06:15,900 --> 02:06:14,080 like we can analyze it and overall I 3075 02:06:17,100 --> 02:06:15,910 think it's it's it's wonderful but it's 3076 02:06:19,350 --> 02:06:17,110 also confusing at the same time because 3077 02:06:22,680 --> 02:06:19,360 these videos were released like three 3078 02:06:24,689 --> 02:06:22,690 years ago yeah yeah that's that's a good 3079 02:06:26,100 --> 02:06:24,699 point I mean a lot of people are coming 3080 02:06:29,070 --> 02:06:26,110 to me in the last couple days and being 3081 02:06:31,830 --> 02:06:29,080 like oh my god what is this like are you 3082 02:06:33,300 --> 02:06:31,840 did you know about this I'm like yeah we 3083 02:06:36,150 --> 02:06:33,310 kind of talked about it two years ago 3084 02:06:38,430 --> 02:06:36,160 we've been dissecting these videos these 3085 02:06:41,700 --> 02:06:38,440 twenty second videos for almost three 3086 02:06:44,160 --> 02:06:41,710 years now but now it's official 3087 02:06:45,360 --> 02:06:44,170 according to the government so hey you 3088 02:06:46,350 --> 02:06:45,370 know what we'll take what we can get 3089 02:06:48,900 --> 02:06:46,360 Chuck 3090 02:06:51,209 --> 02:06:48,910 exactly exactly what do you think man um 3091 02:06:52,080 --> 02:06:51,219 disclosure do you believe in it is it a 3092 02:06:54,990 --> 02:06:52,090 thing 3093 02:06:58,500 --> 02:06:55,000 are we in it yeah what what do you got 3094 02:07:01,620 --> 02:06:58,510 well it seems like every eight years or 3095 02:07:02,790 --> 02:07:01,630 so this talks about disclosure yeah you 3096 02:07:05,520 --> 02:07:02,800 gotta remember I've been doing this for 3097 02:07:07,979 --> 02:07:05,530 over 30 years so it's you know it comes 3098 02:07:09,810 --> 02:07:07,989 around but we're getting really really 3099 02:07:12,000 --> 02:07:09,820 close this time you know with a tic-tac 3100 02:07:14,669 --> 02:07:12,010 and and all the different videos coming 3101 02:07:18,780 --> 02:07:14,679 out and I thought okay this is it 3102 02:07:21,060 --> 02:07:18,790 you know 2020 it's really big for us you 3103 02:07:22,770 --> 02:07:21,070 know that that it's gonna it's going to 3104 02:07:26,310 --> 02:07:22,780 push closer closer to disclosure and 3105 02:07:29,250 --> 02:07:26,320 then Kogut 19 happened and then what I 3106 02:07:31,649 --> 02:07:29,260 saw and that's why I wrote a blog about 3107 02:07:33,810 --> 02:07:31,659 it really upset me 3108 02:07:37,229 --> 02:07:33,820 I saw people fighting I saw people 3109 02:07:41,820 --> 02:07:37,239 hoarding I saw people blaming each other 3110 02:07:44,850 --> 02:07:41,830 you know I people here in Colorado you 3111 02:07:46,770 --> 02:07:44,860 know I'm more guns on people's hips when 3112 02:07:49,140 --> 02:07:46,780 they're going to the grocery stores more 3113 02:07:50,879 --> 02:07:49,150 than I've ever seen it's legal here but 3114 02:07:54,209 --> 02:07:50,889 you know I've never you know I haven't 3115 02:07:57,149 --> 02:07:54,219 I've seen more and more and and all the 3116 02:08:00,600 --> 02:07:57,159 sudden I realized we're not ready for 3117 02:08:03,740 --> 02:08:00,610 disclosure you know as at least we're 3118 02:08:07,800 --> 02:08:03,750 not ready if we can't handle a virus 3119 02:08:10,200 --> 02:08:07,810 without going apeshit right then how in 3120 02:08:11,939 --> 02:08:10,210 the heck can we handle aliens and then 3121 02:08:13,979 --> 02:08:11,949 what about the people now to think oh my 3122 02:08:15,870 --> 02:08:13,989 gosh what about an aliens having a virus 3123 02:08:20,149 --> 02:08:15,880 and diseases are we going to be affected 3124 02:08:24,479 --> 02:08:20,159 by that and so because of what I've seen 3125 02:08:26,580 --> 02:08:24,489 people do because of kovat I think we 3126 02:08:29,220 --> 02:08:26,590 just pretty much just destroyed any 3127 02:08:33,240 --> 02:08:29,230 opportunity at least this year next year 3128 02:08:36,419 --> 02:08:33,250 you know of a disclosure I can guarantee 3129 02:08:38,459 --> 02:08:36,429 you that there are people in high levels 3130 02:08:40,770 --> 02:08:38,469 that we're thinking about disclosure 3131 02:08:44,490 --> 02:08:40,780 that are that have been taking notes on 3132 02:08:47,030 --> 02:08:44,500 how people are reacting and you know 3133 02:08:51,419 --> 02:08:47,040 then socially and you know 3134 02:08:53,760 --> 02:08:51,429 psychologically and but then why would 3135 02:08:58,890 --> 02:08:53,770 the Pentagon in the middle of the kovat 3136 02:09:03,350 --> 02:08:58,900 crisis pop up and say oh those videos 3137 02:09:05,970 --> 02:09:03,360 were real now I got thinking 3138 02:09:09,900 --> 02:09:05,980 there's something coming down 3139 02:09:12,150 --> 02:09:09,910 that they can't control if they can 3140 02:09:15,080 --> 02:09:12,160 control it they would have waited Pasco 3141 02:09:18,000 --> 02:09:15,090 that was a good point 3142 02:09:20,820 --> 02:09:18,010 something coming down that possibly they 3143 02:09:22,620 --> 02:09:20,830 can't control now in the end my blog I 3144 02:09:26,690 --> 02:09:22,630 kind of the very Taylor and the blogger 3145 02:09:30,030 --> 02:09:26,700 thing well the only way that that really 3146 02:09:32,070 --> 02:09:30,040 disclosure could happen now is literally 3147 02:09:36,650 --> 02:09:32,080 for UFOs flying across the United States 3148 02:09:39,330 --> 02:09:36,660 said hey we're here you know and and and 3149 02:09:41,700 --> 02:09:39,340 because before it was people like like 3150 02:09:46,020 --> 02:09:41,710 me and Heather and like you bringing 3151 02:09:48,690 --> 02:09:46,030 this information out and and and pretty 3152 02:09:50,970 --> 02:09:48,700 much getting people geared it up and 3153 02:09:54,210 --> 02:09:50,980 then with knowledge of knowing this 3154 02:09:56,910 --> 02:09:54,220 stuff has been going on not since you 3155 02:09:59,520 --> 02:09:56,920 know since the last two decades but you 3156 02:10:01,830 --> 02:09:59,530 know generations and generations I have 3157 02:10:04,290 --> 02:10:01,840 an animal mutilation investigation that 3158 02:10:07,080 --> 02:10:04,300 was reported in the late 1800s in 3159 02:10:08,490 --> 02:10:07,090 Missouri with the UFO and three and 3160 02:10:10,590 --> 02:10:08,500 three animals that were dead so it's 3161 02:10:12,600 --> 02:10:10,600 nothing new that's you know it's been 3162 02:10:16,020 --> 02:10:12,610 going on for such a long time and now 3163 02:10:19,260 --> 02:10:16,030 I'm thinking why would the Pentagon just 3164 02:10:23,820 --> 02:10:19,270 releases what's what's going on here so 3165 02:10:26,210 --> 02:10:23,830 yeah it's really yeah why why they chose 3166 02:10:28,890 --> 02:10:26,220 now is it to marry the news in 3167 02:10:30,840 --> 02:10:28,900 everything else we're bombarded with on 3168 02:10:33,420 --> 02:10:30,850 a daily basis so we'll forget about it I 3169 02:10:36,150 --> 02:10:33,430 don't know it is an interesting theory 3170 02:10:39,270 --> 02:10:36,160 in concept and I do really wonder what's 3171 02:10:43,080 --> 02:10:39,280 gonna happen next in terms of you know 3172 02:10:44,550 --> 02:10:43,090 UFO disclosure or what are we gonna get 3173 02:10:49,440 --> 02:10:44,560 from the government well you're all 3174 02:10:51,780 --> 02:10:49,450 gonna know what I already know Chuck's 3175 02:10:53,540 --> 02:10:51,790 got all the answers I don't have all the 3176 02:10:57,900 --> 02:10:53,550 answers I just know all the questions 3177 02:10:59,460 --> 02:10:57,910 but I know a very good point well I've 3178 02:11:02,430 --> 02:10:59,470 got two more questions just to wrap 3179 02:11:05,850 --> 02:11:02,440 things up with you guys here the first 3180 02:11:07,860 --> 02:11:05,860 one being what comes next for you guys I 3181 02:11:09,810 --> 02:11:07,870 know you know we're all kind of locked 3182 02:11:11,550 --> 02:11:09,820 down right now so that's it's tough to 3183 02:11:14,700 --> 02:11:11,560 get out there and actually do anything 3184 02:11:17,700 --> 02:11:14,710 but um when it comes to UFOs what are 3185 02:11:19,770 --> 02:11:17,710 you doing now are you still Chuck are 3186 02:11:21,930 --> 02:11:19,780 you actively looking into cases 3187 02:11:24,000 --> 02:11:21,940 um Heather what have you been up to ever 3188 02:11:27,629 --> 02:11:24,010 since we've all been kind of shunned 3189 02:11:30,109 --> 02:11:27,639 into our our domiciles as it were I mean 3190 02:11:32,490 --> 02:11:30,119 I've been reading a lot I'm actually 3191 02:11:35,729 --> 02:11:32,500 rereading communion for the third time 3192 02:11:40,229 --> 02:11:35,739 nice we just reviewed the movie on the I 3193 02:11:44,970 --> 02:11:40,239 feel okay I've been reading a lot I'm 3194 02:11:47,879 --> 02:11:44,980 playing music man rollerskating just 3195 02:11:49,169 --> 02:11:47,889 trying to be active and and but mostly I 3196 02:11:52,049 --> 02:11:49,179 mean mostly I've just been reading and 3197 02:11:54,600 --> 02:11:52,059 researching stuff cool a bunch eat Chuck 3198 02:11:57,359 --> 02:11:54,610 what do you been up to well I had three 3199 02:12:00,750 --> 02:11:57,369 investigations lined up before you know 3200 02:12:03,240 --> 02:12:00,760 this hit covet and one was a ghost 3201 02:12:06,569 --> 02:12:03,250 investigation one was a Bigfoot and then 3202 02:12:09,750 --> 02:12:06,579 one was the light strange lights in the 3203 02:12:11,850 --> 02:12:09,760 sky and a town a small town where I was 3204 02:12:14,040 --> 02:12:11,860 going to go to the small town I mean and 3205 02:12:16,649 --> 02:12:14,050 all this was you know within a couple 3206 02:12:20,279 --> 02:12:16,659 hours of my home um and then this 3207 02:12:22,350 --> 02:12:20,289 happened so there's not much you know 3208 02:12:23,640 --> 02:12:22,360 you can do other than you know just take 3209 02:12:25,799 --> 02:12:23,650 notes and this is what we're gonna do 3210 02:12:27,569 --> 02:12:25,809 this is what I'm gonna do when you know 3211 02:12:29,760 --> 02:12:27,579 when we kids the point working I'll get 3212 02:12:32,220 --> 02:12:29,770 out together again spend a little money 3213 02:12:36,930 --> 02:12:32,230 of course you know I'm one of the lucky 3214 02:12:39,240 --> 02:12:36,940 ones my job is I'm microchips so I was 3215 02:12:42,000 --> 02:12:39,250 able to working from home so working 3216 02:12:44,370 --> 02:12:42,010 from home doing that remote logging into 3217 02:12:46,290 --> 02:12:44,380 the computer at work my wife works for a 3218 02:12:48,510 --> 02:12:46,300 company that's an essential company so 3219 02:12:49,290 --> 02:12:48,520 she has to be either every day and she 3220 02:12:53,279 --> 02:12:49,300 wears a mask 3221 02:12:57,990 --> 02:12:53,289 the Oh Heather um it's why I ordered a 3222 02:12:59,870 --> 02:12:58,000 connect system oh you did I finally 3223 02:13:03,299 --> 02:12:59,880 pulled the trigger on that that's fun 3224 02:13:08,760 --> 02:13:03,309 yeah so wife doesn't know about that one 3225 02:13:11,729 --> 02:13:08,770 oh man she's in store yeah yeah you go 3226 02:13:13,319 --> 02:13:11,739 oh no in October 3227 02:13:15,209 --> 02:13:13,329 Chuck and I have an event we're doing 3228 02:13:18,779 --> 02:13:15,219 together in Minnesota that I really hope 3229 02:13:20,729 --> 02:13:18,789 isn't canceled I hope I hope not because 3230 02:13:25,319 --> 02:13:20,739 we rescheduled our London trip for 3231 02:13:27,149 --> 02:13:25,329 October right yeah yeah it's so it's 3232 02:13:29,370 --> 02:13:27,159 crazy out there but you know I'm still 3233 02:13:31,290 --> 02:13:29,380 getting sighting reports and I'm getting 3234 02:13:32,939 --> 02:13:31,300 you know people smoking you know I can't 3235 02:13:34,140 --> 02:13:32,949 there's nothing I can do right now you 3236 02:13:35,790 --> 02:13:34,150 know like I can't 3237 02:13:37,590 --> 02:13:35,800 go onto yours you know you know we're 3238 02:13:40,530 --> 02:13:37,600 just it's unfortunate but it's just the 3239 02:13:44,490 --> 02:13:40,540 way it is but you know the nice thing 3240 02:13:46,410 --> 02:13:44,500 about UFOs is there's just love okay 3241 02:13:49,440 --> 02:13:46,420 there's a lot of them and um you know 3242 02:13:50,760 --> 02:13:49,450 we've seen a lot of stats go up since 3243 02:13:53,400 --> 02:13:50,770 people have been in lockdown 3244 02:13:56,100 --> 02:13:53,410 I mean I've spoken to several MUFON 3245 02:13:58,860 --> 02:13:56,110 investigators who said the numbers are 3246 02:14:01,320 --> 02:13:58,870 rising and we've had a few mass UFO 3247 02:14:07,080 --> 02:14:01,330 sightings recently as well in like 3248 02:14:08,520 --> 02:14:07,090 Detroit and I think Ohio and Sanitas so 3249 02:14:10,830 --> 02:14:08,530 I mean people are home they're looking 3250 02:14:12,210 --> 02:14:10,840 for any reason to go outside or pop 3251 02:14:14,880 --> 02:14:12,220 their head out the window right now and 3252 02:14:16,020 --> 02:14:14,890 maybe they'll see something so I mean if 3253 02:14:18,000 --> 02:14:16,030 I can say anything to anyone 3254 02:14:20,580 --> 02:14:18,010 like still report these things and 3255 02:14:22,350 --> 02:14:20,590 because that's what we do we gather the 3256 02:14:25,200 --> 02:14:22,360 numbers and then we go to where the most 3257 02:14:29,490 --> 02:14:25,210 activities happening yeah you know damn 3258 02:14:31,620 --> 02:14:29,500 you SpaceX yeah I know that is the 3259 02:14:34,980 --> 02:14:31,630 starting satellites have become your 3260 02:14:36,930 --> 02:14:34,990 worst enemy satellites how about that 3261 02:14:39,150 --> 02:14:36,940 the other day you know mass UFO sighting 3262 02:14:43,650 --> 02:14:39,160 over an Oregon a little bit of when you 3263 02:14:45,840 --> 02:14:43,660 saw these and then and then we have a 3264 02:14:49,560 --> 02:14:45,850 cases with less traffic we have less 3265 02:14:52,170 --> 02:14:49,570 smog and the skies are clear yep really 3266 02:14:54,570 --> 02:14:52,180 good point yep I mean now is the time to 3267 02:14:56,100 --> 02:14:54,580 look up guys so please keep looking up 3268 02:14:58,920 --> 02:14:56,110 and I'm in terms of looking I guess 3269 02:15:00,510 --> 02:14:58,930 forward to wrap this up guys I'd love to 3270 02:15:04,260 --> 02:15:00,520 get your opinion on this I have a lot of 3271 02:15:07,110 --> 02:15:04,270 younger followers viewers listeners to 3272 02:15:09,390 --> 02:15:07,120 my show and a lot of younger people 3273 02:15:12,360 --> 02:15:09,400 getting involved in this field of 3274 02:15:14,460 --> 02:15:12,370 research UFOs which is super exciting 3275 02:15:19,020 --> 02:15:14,470 you know I used to be considered one of 3276 02:15:23,250 --> 02:15:19,030 the younger people and I'm in my mid-30s 3277 02:15:24,570 --> 02:15:23,260 or something I won't go there but I was 3278 02:15:27,030 --> 02:15:24,580 considered young at one point and now 3279 02:15:29,550 --> 02:15:27,040 I'm seeing like teenagers getting 3280 02:15:31,320 --> 02:15:29,560 involved with this which is awesome so I 3281 02:15:34,190 --> 02:15:31,330 guess my question to kind of wrap this 3282 02:15:38,100 --> 02:15:34,200 up would be um Chuck will start with you 3283 02:15:39,240 --> 02:15:38,110 what should younger people do um when 3284 02:15:40,680 --> 02:15:39,250 they get involved with this topic 3285 02:15:44,430 --> 02:15:40,690 there's so much disinformation 3286 02:15:47,190 --> 02:15:44,440 misinformation hoaxes is this that this 3287 02:15:48,260 --> 02:15:47,200 that um the ridicule factor even of 3288 02:15:49,670 --> 02:15:48,270 saying 3289 02:15:51,710 --> 02:15:49,680 don't look into that stuff or you're 3290 02:15:53,810 --> 02:15:51,720 crazy what would you tell a young person 3291 02:15:55,820 --> 02:15:53,820 who's just getting interested in the UFO 3292 02:15:58,340 --> 02:15:55,830 topic where should they turn what should 3293 02:16:01,520 --> 02:15:58,350 they do well I think I kind of like was 3294 02:16:03,320 --> 02:16:01,530 there so just based on my experience I 3295 02:16:05,450 --> 02:16:03,330 started out by by researching and 3296 02:16:09,200 --> 02:16:05,460 reading and Heather reading communion I 3297 02:16:11,120 --> 02:16:09,210 have communion so it depends first you 3298 02:16:13,790 --> 02:16:11,130 have to pick you know a topic pick up 3299 02:16:15,290 --> 02:16:13,800 pick what you want first what do you 3300 02:16:17,840 --> 02:16:15,300 want to investigate and then start 3301 02:16:21,560 --> 02:16:17,850 researching material on that and find 3302 02:16:24,320 --> 02:16:21,570 out if there's any UFO groups in nearby 3303 02:16:26,150 --> 02:16:24,330 you know when this Cove it goes away 3304 02:16:27,950 --> 02:16:26,160 then you can go to you know some UFO 3305 02:16:28,880 --> 02:16:27,960 meetings and when you want to get to a 3306 02:16:30,680 --> 02:16:28,890 point where you want to be an 3307 02:16:34,310 --> 02:16:30,690 investigator there's books out there on 3308 02:16:36,740 --> 02:16:34,320 how to be an investigator you I'm former 3309 02:16:38,540 --> 02:16:36,750 MUFON I'm not with them anymore but but 3310 02:16:41,629 --> 02:16:38,550 MUFON actually has an investigator 3311 02:16:44,900 --> 02:16:41,639 program and you can go to just MUFON em 3312 02:16:46,839 --> 02:16:44,910 UFO Lynn and you can you can download we 3313 02:16:49,940 --> 02:16:46,849 have to purchase it their investigator 3314 02:16:51,860 --> 02:16:49,950 manual like I think I wrote the portion 3315 02:16:54,110 --> 02:16:51,870 on one animal mutilations and stuff for 3316 02:16:56,570 --> 02:16:54,120 them but it's an investigator manual 3317 02:16:58,040 --> 02:16:56,580 it's really good it's updated and even 3318 02:17:00,320 --> 02:16:58,050 if you don't become a field investigator 3319 02:17:02,509 --> 02:17:00,330 for MUFON you have the tools to do it 3320 02:17:05,660 --> 02:17:02,519 and then decide what you want to do 3321 02:17:09,230 --> 02:17:05,670 where you want to go start small because 3322 02:17:10,070 --> 02:17:09,240 I tell you you know this may not be what 3323 02:17:12,259 --> 02:17:10,080 you want to do 3324 02:17:14,419 --> 02:17:12,269 it's a gulf to my life census as long as 3325 02:17:16,430 --> 02:17:14,429 I can remember I've been involved in the 3326 02:17:19,100 --> 02:17:16,440 apologies or followed you since 3327 02:17:23,150 --> 02:17:19,110 elementary school and you know luckily 3328 02:17:25,310 --> 02:17:23,160 my wife just goes with it I know that 3329 02:17:28,310 --> 02:17:25,320 feeling yeah pick a topic and go with 3330 02:17:31,759 --> 02:17:28,320 you know and take step by steps and then 3331 02:17:33,799 --> 02:17:31,769 email people like me ask questions you 3332 02:17:36,379 --> 02:17:33,809 know that's why I'm here email my 3333 02:17:38,839 --> 02:17:36,389 website and I get emails all the time 3334 02:17:40,160 --> 02:17:38,849 from people asking me how do I become an 3335 02:17:42,230 --> 02:17:40,170 investigator and they tell them exactly 3336 02:17:44,570 --> 02:17:42,240 what I just told you and I see if you 3337 02:17:47,180 --> 02:17:44,580 have any questions I either try and find 3338 02:17:48,320 --> 02:17:47,190 groups in their area you know a child 3339 02:17:51,730 --> 02:17:48,330 I'll help where I can 3340 02:17:54,379 --> 02:17:51,740 right now it's tough but you know yeah 3341 02:17:56,930 --> 02:17:54,389 yeah everything's tough I think a good 3342 02:17:59,690 --> 02:17:56,940 um a good quote that one of our people 3343 02:18:00,510 --> 02:17:59,700 Stan man said boys were locked down UFOs 3344 02:18:01,890 --> 02:18:00,520 aren't 3345 02:18:04,110 --> 02:18:01,900 which is a really important thing to 3346 02:18:06,090 --> 02:18:04,120 remember the work continues so um 3347 02:18:07,710 --> 02:18:06,100 Heather what about you what advice would 3348 02:18:10,350 --> 02:18:07,720 you give younger people getting involved 3349 02:18:12,270 --> 02:18:10,360 in either paranormal UFOs everything in 3350 02:18:14,370 --> 02:18:12,280 between what do you think I mean I would 3351 02:18:16,710 --> 02:18:14,380 definitely say the way I started out was 3352 02:18:18,300 --> 02:18:16,720 I went out into the field I took my 3353 02:18:20,730 --> 02:18:18,310 recorder and my video camera and my 3354 02:18:22,770 --> 02:18:20,740 Ouija board and I went right out to 3355 02:18:24,270 --> 02:18:22,780 where I wasn't supposed to be well don't 3356 02:18:26,130 --> 02:18:24,280 do that but you know what I mean like go 3357 02:18:29,430 --> 02:18:26,140 to a place you know you're investigating 3358 02:18:31,290 --> 02:18:29,440 and just kind of see what you can what 3359 02:18:33,960 --> 02:18:31,300 evidence you can get you know I started 3360 02:18:36,420 --> 02:18:33,970 reading books by Ed and Lorraine Warren 3361 02:18:37,680 --> 02:18:36,430 you know the leading researchers you 3362 02:18:40,190 --> 02:18:37,690 know with with ghosts they've been doing 3363 02:18:42,810 --> 02:18:40,200 it you know research for decades so I 3364 02:18:44,520 --> 02:18:42,820 really kind of dove into all of their 3365 02:18:47,340 --> 02:18:44,530 research which is really important in 3366 02:18:49,050 --> 02:18:47,350 the field but just reading in an 3367 02:18:50,730 --> 02:18:49,060 exploring different cases so that when 3368 02:18:52,470 --> 02:18:50,740 you finally go out there you can pick up 3369 02:18:54,060 --> 02:18:52,480 the correlations between different kinds 3370 02:18:57,560 --> 02:18:54,070 of activity and why it might be 3371 02:19:00,960 --> 02:18:57,570 happening I think that's really key is 3372 02:19:03,480 --> 02:19:00,970 knowing your cases and researching take 3373 02:19:08,160 --> 02:19:03,490 very good notes and have lots of little 3374 02:19:09,540 --> 02:19:08,170 notebooks like I do so yeah you're 3375 02:19:12,930 --> 02:19:09,550 you're a stickler for the notebooks 3376 02:19:14,160 --> 02:19:12,940 which I love and we need that guys this 3377 02:19:15,570 --> 02:19:14,170 has been amazing I thought this was 3378 02:19:17,220 --> 02:19:15,580 gonna be like an hour of course we're 3379 02:19:20,250 --> 02:19:17,230 going on almost two-and-a-half I don't 3380 02:19:22,170 --> 02:19:20,260 know what I was thinking but um I have 3381 02:19:24,120 --> 02:19:22,180 to thank you both for giving me so much 3382 02:19:26,040 --> 02:19:24,130 of your time tonight and for all the 3383 02:19:28,620 --> 02:19:26,050 listeners and viewers sticking with us 3384 02:19:31,230 --> 02:19:28,630 asking questions I'm trying to get used 3385 02:19:33,390 --> 02:19:31,240 to getting in as much as I can with them 3386 02:19:36,510 --> 02:19:33,400 with making it more interactive with 3387 02:19:38,430 --> 02:19:36,520 people but um before we go both of you 3388 02:19:41,550 --> 02:19:38,440 Heather where can we find everything 3389 02:19:44,640 --> 02:19:41,560 you're doing yeah give it to us well 3390 02:19:46,110 --> 02:19:44,650 slip socials I just launched my website 3391 02:19:46,890 --> 02:19:46,120 which is Heather teddy calm that's 3392 02:19:48,990 --> 02:19:46,900 pretty exciting 3393 02:19:50,160 --> 02:19:49,000 you can find me on Twitter Instagram 3394 02:19:53,011 --> 02:19:50,170 Facebook 3395 02:19:57,211 --> 02:19:53,021 it's all under classic tad that's my 3396 02:20:03,091 --> 02:19:57,221 handle cool how about you chuck just 3397 02:20:05,551 --> 02:20:03,101 your phone up yes you know because if 3398 02:20:09,650 --> 02:20:05,561 you if you search Chuck Zukowski you'll 3399 02:20:14,190 --> 02:20:09,660 misspelled my last name so I still do I 3400 02:20:16,200 --> 02:20:14,200 remember UFO nut you know it's an LLC 3401 02:20:18,421 --> 02:20:16,210 it's been trademarked this year so it's 3402 02:20:21,830 --> 02:20:18,431 uh it's gonna be around for a while 3403 02:20:24,900 --> 02:20:21,840 cool well guys it was so refreshing to 3404 02:20:28,770 --> 02:20:24,910 revisit the alien highway I was such a 3405 02:20:31,350 --> 02:20:28,780 big fan I really hope that either travel 3406 02:20:33,450 --> 02:20:31,360 discovery or any of these networks um 3407 02:20:36,091 --> 02:20:33,460 re-examine this show and see how 3408 02:20:38,360 --> 02:20:36,101 important it is to actual research and 3409 02:20:41,671 --> 02:20:38,370 getting this topic out to the mainstream 3410 02:20:46,290 --> 02:20:41,681 so I got a thank you both for doing this 3411 02:20:48,841 --> 02:20:46,300 and yeah I will keep looking up and to 3412 02:20:50,790 --> 02:20:48,851 see what's up there and um you know keep 3413 02:20:53,370 --> 02:20:50,800 looking within - I guess that's me 3414 02:20:55,110 --> 02:20:53,380 trying to be you know metaphorical and 3415 02:20:58,500 --> 02:20:55,120 philosophical at the end of my finger 3416 02:20:59,640 --> 02:20:58,510 but no chopping yours too and so we're 3417 02:21:03,240 --> 02:20:59,650 is out there 3418 02:21:05,310 --> 02:21:03,250 by all means email Travel Channel let 3419 02:21:08,131 --> 02:21:05,320 them yes one alien highway back our 3420 02:21:10,051 --> 02:21:08,141 discovery because discovery owns travel 3421 02:21:12,240 --> 02:21:10,061 so that is a very good point social 3422 02:21:14,551 --> 02:21:12,250 networks are extremely powerful so if 3423 02:21:16,261 --> 02:21:14,561 you guys do want to see Heather and 3424 02:21:18,180 --> 02:21:16,271 Chuck back out there again and Daniel 3425 02:21:20,660 --> 02:21:18,190 I'm sure he'll come back 3426 02:21:22,680 --> 02:21:20,670 there's no less than standing right 3427 02:21:25,921 --> 02:21:22,690 exactly exactly 3428 02:21:28,051 --> 02:21:25,931 um tweet to travel channel hit him up 3429 02:21:29,490 --> 02:21:28,061 wherever you can um let's get this thing 3430 02:21:31,890 --> 02:21:29,500 back on the air because I want to get 3431 02:21:34,110 --> 02:21:31,900 down on that highway with you guys as 3432 02:21:35,430 --> 02:21:34,120 well so once again Chuck Heather thank 3433 02:21:37,680 --> 02:21:35,440 you so much for joining me on somewhere 3434 02:21:40,011 --> 02:21:37,690 in the skies thank you thank you very